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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:10 am

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Lower Nubia wrote:So we have all the evidence that Azerbaijan executed two prisoners of war in plain view. Video of the incident NSFL (shows death and execution).

People wonder why Armenians are worried in the region and don’t want to be under Azerbaijan’s rule when they execute people in plain sight and then record the incident as if it’s something normal to do.

Just to remind everyone:

“No sentence shall be passed and no penalty shall be executed on a person found guilty of an offence except pursuant to a conviction pronounced by a court offering the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality.” - Geneva Convention of 1977.

Executing prisoners of war, is a war crime.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:48 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:So we have all the evidence that Azerbaijan executed two prisoners of war in plain view. Video of the incident NSFL (shows death and execution).

People wonder why Armenians are worried in the region and don’t want to be under Azerbaijan’s rule when they execute people in plain sight and then record the incident as if it’s something normal to do.

Just to remind everyone:

“No sentence shall be passed and no penalty shall be executed on a person found guilty of an offence except pursuant to a conviction pronounced by a court offering the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality.” - Geneva Convention of 1977.

Executing prisoners of war, is a war crime.


Großbaku doesn’t give two shits it’s a war crime, and I don’t see London or any ‘ally’ of that damned country caring about this. Sadly this only emboldens the dogs when we should be putting a leash and muzzle on them.

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:28 pm

Seems the Azeris have destroyed a couple of missile launchers inside of Armenia next to NK.. Armenia says this opens the way for them to fire missiles inside Azerbaijan. Has for Russia, according to a news report from Thailand
Moscow has so far refused to become drawn into the conflict -- even though Armenia is part of a regional Russia-led security group -- noting that the organisation's treaty does not apply to Karabakh.


I still think the biggest loser in all of this will be Russia since they are dragging there feet when it comes to helping Armenia. Armenia could tell the Russians to leave while they invite the US or France into Armenia. That at least would give Armenia the security they seek against a potential attack from Turkey or Azerbaijan.

Like I pointed out yesterday in an article on a possible solution, the Azeris and Armenians (who had reservations) were on the road to solving this problem over NK. It involved an autonomous NK. inside of Arzerbajan. But the deal fell through since the NK. leadership wanted nothing to do with Azerbaijan. It seems the main problem for those in NK. is that Azerbaijan might decide after a few months or years to renege on the plan. Once the Azeri military storms into NK., which is surrounded by Azerbaijan proper, it will be too late for the international community to do anything about it.

So unless Armenia has a secret weapon the only real solution out of this dilemma would be for the Armenians to pullback and take all the people in NK. with them. In return and for the sake of stability in the region Turkey should offer Armenia a free trade port on the Black Sea. Yes, an Armenian controlled corridor to the sea would be nice but we all know Turkey has a policy of giving up zero land. So at least a free trade port in perpetuity under Armenian control would suffice. Remember, landlocked
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Edit - This of allowing other nations a FTP has been done before. Read - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-11595368
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:37 pm

Rio Cana wrote:-snip-

Pandering to a genocidal state by self-ethnic cleansing is not the answer. Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:47 pm

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:-snip-

[...]Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.
Well, that will definitely happen if Azerbaijan and Turkey invade Armenia proper. The thing about geopolitical lines is that great powers like their puppet states as they are. Saddam's only mistake was invading Kuwait and damaging the status quo, which cost him US support, as if he hadn't done that he could have kept killing Kurds at his leisure and kept in power. So if they cross Putin's red line, Azerbaijan and Artsakh will be a bombed wasteland of ruins, but Russia will win - as they won in Syria.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:14 pm

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:-snip-

Pandering to a genocidal state by self-ethnic cleansing is not the answer. Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.


I'd say simply deal their military a sufficient humiliation, and the Azeri people will do the rest.

IIRC, there were huge protests against Aliyev in recent memory, wasn't there?
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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 pm

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The Restored Danelaw wrote:Pandering to a genocidal state by self-ethnic cleansing is not the answer. Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.


I'd say simply deal their military a sufficient humiliation, and the Azeri people will do the rest.

IIRC, there were huge protests against Aliyev in recent memory, wasn't there?


“Huge” is an overstatement but there were protests.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:00 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:[...]Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.
Well, that will definitely happen if Azerbaijan and Turkey invade Armenia proper. The thing about geopolitical lines is that great powers like their puppet states as they are. Saddam's only mistake was invading Kuwait and damaging the status quo, which cost him US support, as if he hadn't done that he could have kept killing Kurds at his leisure and kept in power. So if they cross Putin's red line, Azerbaijan and Artsakh will be a bombed wasteland of ruins, but Russia will win - as they won in Syria.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:29 am

Ugh.

There was some shelling, more civilians are dead, and each side is accusing the other.
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And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
#Armeniaiskillingcivilians

This is not Twitter. We do not need hashtags.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
#Armeniaiskillingcivilians


You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
#Armeniaiskillingcivilians


You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.


Don’t forget the literal ethnocentric, racist ultranationalism and historical revisionism practised by the very people Hakinda supports: the Azeris in Baku.

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New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:31 pm

Heloin wrote:New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
With this ceasefire, I hope the religious nationalist aggression of the Armenian government will end. Turks and Armenians are tired of this brutal attitude.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:32 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Heloin wrote:New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
With this ceasefire, I hope the religious nationalist aggression of the Armenian government will end. Turks and Armenians are tired of this brutal attitude.

Oh give it a rest.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Heloin wrote:New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
With this ceasefire, I hope the religious nationalist aggression of the Armenian government will end. Turks and Armenians are tired of this brutal attitude.
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Yeah yeah, the warmonger is calling for peace again. We don't care anymore.
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Heloin wrote:New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
With this ceasefire, I hope the religious nationalist aggression of the Armenian government will end. Turks and Armenians are tired of this brutal attitude.
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He says, when referring to Azerbaijan attempting to forcibly occupy a region in which the majority living do not want to live under them.
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You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.


Don’t forget the literal ethnocentric, racist ultranationalism and historical revisionism practised by the very people Hakinda supports: the Azeris in Baku.


Take a look at his profile, this “anti-war” and “socialist” Hakinda made a list more than one year and six months ago called “düşman” (enemies in Turkish), where he put random NT players on the list whose countries contained the words Kurdistan, Cyprus or Armenia in their names.

He is just another Turkish fascist that is too embarassed to say it publicly, so he has to pretend that he is “anti-war”.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:01 pm

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:-snip-

Pandering to a genocidal state by self-ethnic cleansing is not the answer. Bombing Baku back to the stone age is. Pretty much the same thing that happened with Saddam and Kuwait.


Like I posted before, unless Armenia has a secret weapon this could go on for decades. The longer a situation lasts the better the chance that they could lose in the future. The facts are that Armenia is 82% surrounded by enemies (Turkey and Azerbaijan). Georgia which hates Russia they cannot really count on. Armenia has better ties to Iran but even Iran has to placate there Azeri population (20 million people). Being landlocked is another problem. If a nation says no flying over my nation to get to Armenia then what happens.

If Armenia destroys the Azeri capital what will Turkey do. Even if Armenia occupied Azerbaijan they could not hold on to it since they do not have the manpower or resources to occupy a nation with over three times there population. Then there would be the fact that Turkey would most likely arm and send rebels against Armenia proper and occupied Azerbaijan. Iran even the Azeris in Iran might get involved.

So if they intend to occupy Azerbaijan its time to have plenty of babies and build a defense wall around Armenia.

Edit - Or do what N.Korea did.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
#Armeniaiskillingcivilians


You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:33 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Heloin wrote:New Truce, let's hope this one sticks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54586437
With this ceasefire, I hope the religious nationalist aggression of the Armenian government will end. Turks and Armenians are tired of this brutal attitude.
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The only thing people are tired of is the institutional ethnocentric ultranationalism within Baku and the country that calls itself ‘Azerbaijan’. [Removed]. We don’t ward off neo-nazis by waving their [removed] flag.

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Don’t forget the literal ethnocentric, racist ultranationalism and historical revisionism practised by the very people Hakinda supports: the Azeris in Baku.


Take a look at his profile, this “anti-war” and “socialist” Hakinda made a list more than one year and six months ago called “düşman” (enemies in Turkish), where he put random NT players on the list whose countries contained the words Kurdistan, Cyprus or Armenia in their names.

He is just another Turkish fascist that is too embarassed to say it publicly, so he has to pretend that he is “anti-war”.


Undoubtedly. Turko-supremacism is his real ideology, that’s obvious.

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You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.
I agree with the place in the sentence I underlined, and I think like you. My duty as a human being is to stand up to those who kill babies through religious nationalism. I make this statement to satisfy your curiosity, my courage comes from humanity. Just because 613 people are Turks, don't you see them as a life ?


Give it a rest. You’re fooling no one.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:And again the world turned into hell for the innocent.It means that the fascist mentality of the 1992 armenia government is not over
#Armeniaiskillingcivilians


You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.


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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
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You call yourself a ‘kemalist’ and have the audacity to accuse Armenians of ‘fasciscm’? The current Turkish government consists of AKP together with the MHP, Turkish ultranationalists that are literal fascists. The very essence of ‘Kemalism’ includes the emphasis on ‘Turkishness’ and nationalism, two things that have destroyed the ethnic/religious fabric of Turkey and have led to for example the current Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

Turkey doesn’t even recognize the killings of 1,5 million Armenians, yet the Armenians are the ‘fascists’ for killing 500 Azeri civilians in 1992?

And don’t you dare to try and “enlighten” me on this subject. The Turkish Army did that in the 90s when they burned my parents home and village and threatened to kill them if they didn’t leave. Just like they did with millions of other Kurds in over 3,000 other villages.
I agree with the place in the sentence I underlined, and I think like you. My duty as a human being is to stand up to those who kill babies through religious nationalism. I make this statement to satisfy your curiosity, my courage comes from humanity. Just because 613 people are Turks, don't you see them as a life ?


It is interesting how you don't even call those killed civilians "Azeri's" anymore but just Turks. Seems like your pan-Turkish nonsense is even contradicting your so-called humanity. First learn to recognize the Armenian genocide, when Turks alongside with some Kurdish tribes killed more than 1,5 million Armenians. I, as a person of Kurdish descent, recognize the horrendous war crimes committed by some criminal Kurdish tribes because they were promised land and power in exchange.

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