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The Tulsa Massacre of 1921-and reparations.

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Freiheit Reich
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:14 am

Sundiata wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Black Americans are wealthier than most people in these poor nations. If they are unhappy, perhaps they can go to Canada and claim refugee status but it seems few think the USA is that bad. I think most blacks think the USA is good and a small amount are just trying to use white guilt to score free money. Scammers exist in all races.

Public services need to receive adequate funding. Providing the Black community in the United States with what most Americans take for granted is not entitlement, it's fairness.

I don't mean to condescend but how familiar are you with the practice of segregation, redlining, slavery, and why poverty effects who it does? I ask you because the past impacts our present. If any these things didn't happen to your ancestors or anyone you know, or you yourself, you're a very fortunate person in that respect.


All of those problems ended by the 1960's due to the Civil Rights Bill of 1964. USA Slavery ended in 1865 and all slaves (and likely all of their children) are dead.

Many blacks live in poor communities but many of the poorest towns in the USA are in Appalachia and are mostly white. Other very poor areas are Native American reservations in the American west. Property taxes fund schools which means poor towns will always have less money for education. Perhaps the way schools are funded should change because it is unfair to people in poor towns of all races. This would be a better change than just giving people money because they happened to be born a certain skin color.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:14 am

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I dunno anon potatoes are pretty serious business. Arguably more so than murder.


Lol the holodomor wasn't murder it was just bread business. Same with the holocaust victims who starved to death. Nope, not murder. Just incomparable bread business.

Same difference . Whether you starve them out or cudgel then to death.


Fwiw I do totally agree with your point about the plight of the Irish throughout history, it's pretty bullshit a lot of it gets overlooked
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:19 am

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Not really, it was caused by a blight. Government response being lacking and ineffective does not deliberate make.


Lol they didn't give a shit about the Irish. They sat in their English mansions and were indifferent to the whole thing.

Yeah that's negligence, not murder.
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Postby Achidyemay » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:32 am

Greed and Death wrote:Unlike with slavery reparations we have a clearly defined damages and a clearly defined group of victims and their descants. The issue we do run into is we do not have a clearly defined perpetrator. The White mob who burned Black Wall street are no longer alive.

No but they were deputized (apparently), so I would go after the organization that deputized them specifically. While we're at it, it's tradition that cities pay for suits brought against police officers, this sort of protection should be ended.

Although the real eye-for-eye is to go after "white" Wall street.

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Postby Sundiata » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:22 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Public services need to receive adequate funding. Providing the Black community in the United States with what most Americans take for granted is not entitlement, it's fairness.

I don't mean to condescend but how familiar are you with the practice of segregation, redlining, slavery, and why poverty effects who it does? I ask you because the past impacts our present. If any these things didn't happen to your ancestors or anyone you know, or you yourself, you're a very fortunate person in that respect.


All of those problems ended by the 1960's due to the Civil Rights Bill of 1964. USA Slavery ended in 1865 and all slaves (and likely all of their children) are dead.

Many blacks live in poor communities but many of the poorest towns in the USA are in Appalachia and are mostly white. Other very poor areas are Native American reservations in the American west. Property taxes fund schools which means poor towns will always have less money for education. Perhaps the way schools are funded should change because it is unfair to people in poor towns of all races. This would be a better change than just giving people money because they happened to be born a certain skin color.

That's a step forward but I personally doubt that it's a sufficient solution, especially with respect to our history of racial discrimination and cultural biases.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:45 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:So you admit that blacks in the USA are doing better than blacks in Africa (at least Ghana) despite being in a nation where there are so many 'evil' racist white people who hate them (as BLM claims).

Yes. This is because Ghana is extremely poor. That does not mean the US is fair to African-Americans. These points have nothing to do with each other.
You also admit that blacks have more opportunities for success in cities where they are not an overwhelming majority compared to cities where they are a huge majority (as we can see from moving patterns).
Yes, systemic racism and deindustrialization make for poor prospects, thank you for playing.
Managers get paid better than workers. This is why they have a higher rank in a business.

I didn't call you out on this before, my bad-how many black people are managers?
The exception is restaurants where servers make huge tips. However, many blacks also work as servers in popular restaurants and make good money in that occupation as well.
So you know nothing about the service industry, gotcha.
Teachers get paid well in certain states like Connecticut and California.

Connecticut. With it's huge black population. Excuse me while I laugh.
Perhaps in fairness, the USA should offer a free one way ticket to all black citizens back to Africa and the USA should try to work with African countries to get compensation in return for accepting blacks that feel they want to go back to their motherland. This would be the best solution for blacks that feel the USA is a racist hellhole.

We tried this. It was called Liberia.

Also, poor migrants from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan are managing to make it to Europe.

There is a world of difference between crossing the Atlantic fucking Ocean and the Mediterranean sea.
Black Americans are wealthier than most people in these poor nations. If they are unhappy, perhaps they can go to Canada and claim refugee status but it seems few think the USA is that bad.

That's not how refugee laws work.
I think most blacks think the USA is good and a small amount are just trying to use white guilt to score free money. Scammers exist in all races.

And your evidence for that is...?
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