by US-SSR » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:57 am
by US-SSR » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 pm
by Major-Tom » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:52 pm
Loben III wrote:we interfered in how many elections in foreign countries yet somehow it happens to us its a massive tragedy.
by Sanghyeok » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:04 pm
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by US-SSR » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm
Loben III wrote:we interfered in how many elections in foreign countries yet somehow it happens to us its a massive tragedy.
by Loben III » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:20 pm
US-SSR wrote:Loben III wrote:we interfered in how many elections in foreign countries yet somehow it happens to us its a massive tragedy.
The question isn't whether strong nations interfere in other nations' affairs. They do. As the Athenians told the Melians in the 4th Century BCE, the strong do as they can and the weak suffer as they must. The question is: is the US to be strong? Or is it to be weak? Strong nations take actions when others interfere in their affairs. Weak nations -- and weak parties within weak nations -- pretend it never happened.
by Purpelia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:46 am
Loben III wrote:US-SSR wrote:
The question isn't whether strong nations interfere in other nations' affairs. They do. As the Athenians told the Melians in the 4th Century BCE, the strong do as they can and the weak suffer as they must. The question is: is the US to be strong? Or is it to be weak? Strong nations take actions when others interfere in their affairs. Weak nations -- and weak parties within weak nations -- pretend it never happened.
Im sure those ass clowns at langley can do mental gymnastics all day about the suffering they incurred.
by Chestaan » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:37 am
US-SSR wrote:Loben III wrote:we interfered in how many elections in foreign countries yet somehow it happens to us its a massive tragedy.
The question isn't whether strong nations interfere in other nations' affairs. They do. As the Athenians told the Melians in the 4th Century BCE, the strong do as they can and the weak suffer as they must. The question is: is the US to be strong? Or is it to be weak? Strong nations take actions when others interfere in their affairs. Weak nations -- and weak parties within weak nations -- pretend it never happened.
by Purpelia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:39 am
Chestaan wrote:US-SSR wrote:
The question isn't whether strong nations interfere in other nations' affairs. They do. As the Athenians told the Melians in the 4th Century BCE, the strong do as they can and the weak suffer as they must. The question is: is the US to be strong? Or is it to be weak? Strong nations take actions when others interfere in their affairs. Weak nations -- and weak parties within weak nations -- pretend it never happened.
If that's the question then I would much prefer a weak US to a strong one.
by Picairn » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:57 am
Chestaan wrote:If that's the question then I would much prefer a weak US to a strong one.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:27 am
US-SSR wrote:The ruling party of Nation X, facing almost certain defeat in the national elections coming in less than 40 days, reacts badly. Its leaders disaparage the fairness of the vote; encourage their supporters to break election laws and intimidate their opponents; initiate dubious lawsuits and mobilize the instrumentalities of the state to suppress the opposition's votes; threaten legal action against the opposition and its leaders; move to influence the supreme court to render any decision in its favor; spread fear, intimidation and lies; attack peaceful protesters with tear gas, rubber bullets and military helicopters; threaten to call out the military to suppress opposition; declare any election result favoring the opposition will be fraudulent; and refuse to commit to recognizing the results of the election in case of a loss.
At this point in many Nation Xs we would expect at the least a strong representation from the US Ambassador about the importance of free and fair elections that are monitored for regularity with results that are transparent and accepted by all parties. In some cases the US has gone farther, making economic and in some cases military threats, enlisting international organizations, etc. Some have held this to be interference in other nations' elections.
Now that Nation X is the good old USA and the shoe is on the other foot, what should be the response of foreign Ambassadors, Heads of State and/or governments? How many days before the election would be the best time for such a response? What would the red line be for other nations to begin to treat the US as the US has treated them in the past?
It's past time for US allies and adversaries to take public issue with the Republcan Party's 2020 shenanigans. I'm going with hamberders with The Hoff for the moment but could be persuaded otherwise, say toward an international election observation mission.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:37 am
by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:06 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Celestial Provinces » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:06 am
Sanghyeok wrote:I think EU-China-US three superpower parity with a strong Russia and UK is a good solution, personally.
by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:39 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
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by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:01 pm
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by US-SSR » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:14 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:53 pm
Loben III wrote:we interfered in how many elections in foreign countries yet somehow it happens to us its a massive tragedy.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:10 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:I think EU-China-US three superpower parity with a strong Russia and UK is a good solution, personally.
by Nilokeras » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:21 pm
US-SSR wrote: How much longer the US will last there is an open question; but there can be no doubt that four more years of a Trump presidency will hasten its inevitable end, while rejecting Trump will extend the US's time as a global superpower for good or ill.
by Willtime » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:31 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:I think EU-China-US three superpower parity with a strong Russia and UK is a good solution, personally.
I suggested something like that yesterday, but since then I've had doubts. Three seems prone to instability (ganging up) which is fine for trade: the two who favor trade with each other most, define the new world trade regime which others then seek to join. But militarily it's very bad. Two military superpowers, plus others able to defend themselves (ie hurt a superpower badly enough to prevent being invaded, still having to accept interference) worked OK in the Cold War. I'd stick with that.
Leveraging trade with military influence is of course ancient. But maybe with enough international trade the trade benefits to be gained by threatening or 'protecting' other nations would be marginal, and WTO sanctions would be enough to stop it.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 pm
Willtime wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I suggested something like that yesterday, but since then I've had doubts. Three seems prone to instability (ganging up) which is fine for trade: the two who favor trade with each other most, define the new world trade regime which others then seek to join. But militarily it's very bad. Two military superpowers, plus others able to defend themselves (ie hurt a superpower badly enough to prevent being invaded, still having to accept interference) worked OK in the Cold War. I'd stick with that.
Leveraging trade with military influence is of course ancient. But maybe with enough international trade the trade benefits to be gained by threatening or 'protecting' other nations would be marginal, and WTO sanctions would be enough to stop it.
Really hard.
Is the EU united enough now?
I hope so,but what really counts is the truth.
China is not the best choose to become a pivot,because ……many reasons.
I think the misunderstanding between China and others is the worst reason.
No,not only others dont know China enough,but China also dont know others enough.
And China's bad reputation (this time I wont talk about if the reputation is right or not,but it exists)
US……ok,although only seventy years have passed, the US has become accustomed to its number one position in the world.
And US will try everything to keep this position.US will try its best to STOP any country who want to surpass US.
Russia,the same reasons of China.
UK,is UK still powerful now?
by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:16 pm
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
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