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Crescent flags should be banned because the crescent is a symbol of the Ottoman Empire (Not Islam, despite what many believe) and the Ottoman Empire practiced slavery and was an imperialist force violently subjugating large parts of Europe and Asia

That’s the same logic

Aureumterra III wrote:Crescent flags should be banned because the crescent is a symbol of the Ottoman Empire (Not Islam, despite what many believe) and the Ottoman Empire practiced slavery and was an imperialist force violently subjugating large parts of Europe and Asia

That’s the same logic

I disagree with you because Ottoman empire is a different model of America.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:Crescent flags should be banned because the crescent is a symbol of the Ottoman Empire (Not Islam, despite what many believe) and the Ottoman Empire practiced slavery and was an imperialist force violently subjugating large parts of Europe and Asia

That’s the same logic

I disagree with you because Ottoman empire is a different model of America.

I don’t know what you mean but there were definitely parallels, practicing slavery, subjugating Iraq, etc.

I prefer Nazis make it easier to identify themselves. There's a whole lot less trauma revolving around the imperial German flag, and it works equally well to distinguish Nazis from non-Nazis, so I'd rather it not be banned.

What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

Some other flag. I fully expect that some troll will convince others to show up with the Black-red-gold flag to see if the government bans that too if nationalists wave it.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Nejii wrote:
Just try it.

*locks and loads*

(Disclaimer: I am not a member of the NRA nor am I a part of the “MURICA!” element. But I do own a firearm and fully support the 2nd Amendment.)

*loads Kalashnikov*
Don’t say we didn’t warn you.

Avtomat Kalashnikova? That's all? You must be a Trotzkyite deviationist.
*loads BM-27 Uragan regiment*

Pathetic

Loads the M.A.C. 10000

Speaking as someone who is very much opposed to Kaiser-lovers and neo-Nazis, don't ban the flag. That's just...overkill. The best way to address its colonialist undertones is in the classroom, not the legislature. If the Nazis wanna use it, go ahead. It just makes them look dumber than they already are.

Serrus wrote:Speaking as someone who is very much opposed to Kaiser-lovers and neo-Nazis, don't ban the flag. That's just...overkill. The best way to address its colonialist undertones is in the classroom, not the legislature. If the Nazis wanna use it, go ahead. It just makes them look dumber than they already are.

Un-biased education is key!

You really have to be shitting me. The Imperial German flag has nothing to do with the Nazis and to think it does is the height of stupidity.

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

It's gonna be the the East German flag, mark my words.

I have seen neo-nazis and white nationalists on the internet say that if they start losing more flags they will start flying the LGBT one and honestly, if this keeps going, I will be supporting them one hundred percent on that.

This has already passed the threshold of ridiculousness.

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

The "Confederate" flag.

No, really. Alt-righters in Europe where the Nazi flag is banned use the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (the blue saltire with stars defacing a red banner) as a substitute.

Atheris wrote:

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

The "Confederate" flag.

No, really. Alt-righters in Europe where the Nazi flag is banned use the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (the blue saltire with stars defacing a red banner) as a substitute.

Technically the Battle Flag of the Army of Tennessee, the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was a square.
Not rectangular, although popular culture depictions often have it as a rectangle.

The North America Union wrote:

Serrus wrote:Speaking as someone who is very much opposed to Kaiser-lovers and neo-Nazis, don't ban the flag. That's just...overkill. The best way to address its colonialist undertones is in the classroom, not the legislature. If the Nazis wanna use it, go ahead. It just makes them look dumber than they already are.

Un-biased education is key!

That doesn't exist, except for perhaps in math.

Grand Hellenic Republic wrote:I have seen neo-nazis and white nationalists on the internet say that if they start losing more flags they will start flying the LGBT one

Fun fact: Peruvian ethnonationalists already do that.

Grand Hellenic Republic wrote:I have seen neo-nazis and white nationalists on the internet say that if they start losing more flags they will start flying the LGBT one and honestly, if this keeps going, I will be supporting them one hundred percent on that.

This has already passed the threshold of ridiculousness.

Ya

Aureumterra III wrote:

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I disagree with you because Ottoman empire is a different model of America.

I don’t know what you mean but there were definitely parallels, practicing slavery, subjugating Iraq, etc.

I’m pretty sure the Ottomans didn’t do slavery, 98% sure.

Celestial Provinces wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t know what you mean but there were definitely parallels, practicing slavery, subjugating Iraq, etc.

I’m pretty sure the Ottomans didn’t do slavery, 98% sure.

Pretty sure they did

Free Ravensburg wrote:

Celestial Provinces wrote:I’m pretty sure the Ottomans didn’t do slavery, 98% sure.

Pretty sure they did

Historians: Well yes, but actually no.

The slavery types engaged in by the Ottomans were generally in no way comparable to that if the Atlantic Slave trade, hence why historians hesitate to refer to it as slavery.

Insaanistan wrote:

Free Ravensburg wrote:
Pretty sure they did

Historians: Well yes, but actually no.

The slavery types engaged in by the Ottomans were generally in no way comparable to that if the Atlantic Slave trade, hence why historians hesitate to refer to it as slavery.

Erm, what? What kind of "historians" are you talking about? Anyone who seriously suggests that the concept of slavery started with and was exclusive to the Atlantic Slave trade ought to stop calling himself historian.

Also, "in no way comparable"? People were robbed of their freedom, treated as property and abused in a number of ways. "Comparable" is not the same word as "synonymous". Nevermind that a huge number of them was also used for field labor. Oh and the Ottomans also enslaved black Africans and shipped them to far-away destinations...like seriously, what "historians" are you on about?

Celestial Provinces wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t know what you mean but there were definitely parallels, practicing slavery, subjugating Iraq, etc.

I’m pretty sure the Ottomans didn’t do slavery, 98% sure.

What the actual fuck.

Nilrahrarfan wrote:

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:What flag would neo-Nazis fly at rallies if this flag was banned?

It's gonna be the the East German flag, mark my words.

based

Baltenstein wrote:

Insaanistan wrote:
Historians: Well yes, but actually no.

The slavery types engaged in by the Ottomans were generally in no way comparable to that if the Atlantic Slave trade, hence why historians hesitate to refer to it as slavery.

Erm, what? What kind of "historians" are you talking about? Anyone who seriously suggests that the concept of slavery started with and was exclusive to the Atlantic Slave trade ought to stop calling himself historian.

Hold up. I never said it was exclusive to it. However, due to the Eurocentrism of our world, when we think of slavery, we generally think of the chattel slavery of the Atlantic Slave Trade. Chattel slavery had appeared several times throughout history but had almost never been the dominant one anywhere. To avoid people equating the types of slavery, many historians don’t like to refer to the other ones as such, or at least define it as a different type of slavery.