Possible ban on German imperial flag, it is going to far.

[Omnum]

Fascists also fly the American flag. Should that be banned too?

Chad yes moment

[Rost Dreadnorramus]

Does that mean everything they try to use even tho it is not fascist or Nazist should be banned? Banning the Imperial German Flag will just mean they switch over to another flag that would also need to be banned and so on

The iron cross symbol should be banned; but not the overall flag.
Because it’s only really the iron cross I see as neo-nazi

The Iron cross picked up from the Teutonic knight and was the symbol of Prussia and Germany long before the Nazis came along.

[Omnum]

The iron cross symbol should be banned; but not the overall flag.
Because it’s only really the iron cross I see as neo-nazi

The Iron cross picked up from the Teutonic knight and was the symbol of Prussia and Germany long before the Nazis came along.

The swatstika was used by the ancient greeks, anglo-saxons, and celts, and was a european symbol of good luck long before the Nazis came along.
Yet its no longer associated with good luck. Its associated with nazis. Things change. The iron cross is no longer associated with the Teutonic Knights or Prussia. Its associated with nazis, just like the swatstika, and we've banned the swatstika. Are you saying we should be able to fly the swatstika?

[Tsarus]

The Iron cross picked up from the Teutonic knight and was the symbol of Prussia and Germany long before the Nazis came along.

The swatstika was used by the ancient greeks, anglo-saxons, and celts, and was a european symbol of good luck long before the Nazis came along.
Yet its no longer associated with good luck. Its associated with nazis. Things change. The iron cross is no longer associated with the Teutonic Knights or Prussia. Its associated with nazis, just like the swatstika, and we've banned the swatstika. Are you saying we should be able to fly the swatstika?

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag should stay banned.

[Rusozak]

The swatstika was used by the ancient greeks, anglo-saxons, and celts, and was a european symbol of good luck long before the Nazis came along.
Yet its no longer associated with good luck. Its associated with nazis. Things change. The iron cross is no longer associated with the Teutonic Knights or Prussia. Its associated with nazis, just like the swatstika, and we've banned the swatstika. Are you saying we should be able to fly the swatstika?

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag should stay banned.

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag shouldn't be banned.

[Estado Novo Portugues]

No, governments should not ban any flag, except those unique to banned groups.

1) The Nazis didn't create the Imperial Flag, they hijacked it (and the swastika too, as a matter of fact). If we were to ban a symbol just because bad guys used it at some point, that would create an unsettling precedent—what if neo-Nazis suddenly decided to use the LGBT rainbow flag, or another symbol of an "accepted" group? Would that symbol have to be banned as well, because it got hijacked and corrupted? Ridiculous policy.

2) Minus the eagle, the Imperial Flag is simply a tricolor like France, Italy and Netherlands. Do we really want to start banning simple sequences of colors?

3) Banning neo-Nazi symbols doesn't make neo-Nazis magically disappear. It pushes them underground, where keeping an eye on them becomes even harder. This is like putting black tape over the low fuel light in your car. You don't see the problem anymore, but the problem is still there.

[Tsarus]

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag should stay banned.

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag shouldn't be banned.

Aside from the ridiculousness and feeble mindedness of it,
1. NeoNazis will only use more esoteric imagery to identify themselves. You’re blocking a path with a pole.
2. Free speech and whatnot, which is pretty common an argument. Not gonna waste time here.
3. It’s not like history will repeat itself if it’s not banned. Again, “nazis” will only use esoteric imagery as more and more of their “hate symbols” are banned. You’re not going to stop history from repeating itself by banning a damn flag!
4. The only real reason it is banned is (dumbed down) because people don’t like it. Tough! I really don’t like the anti-white. anti-traditionalist status quo, and in fact I run the risk of being cancelled if I speak out against it, yet somehow I’m still alive.

[Aureumterra III]

What?

Nazi will latch onto any symbol that they can find. It’s why we can’t have nice things.

No, I’m asking when the Nazis used the Imperial German Flag instead of the swastika

[Rusozak]

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag shouldn't be banned.

Aside from the ridiculousness and feeble mindedness of it,
1. NeoNazis will only use more esoteric imagery to identify themselves. You’re blocking a path with a pole.
2. Free speech and whatnot, which is pretty common an argument. Not gonna waste time here.
3. It’s not like history will repeat itself if it’s not banned. Again, “nazis” will only use esoteric imagery as more and more of their “hate symbols” are banned. You’re not going to stop history from repeating itself by banning a damn flag!
4. The only real reason it is banned is (dumbed down) because people don’t like it. Tough! I really don’t like the anti-white. anti-traditionalist status quo, and in fact I run the risk of being cancelled if I speak out against it, yet somehow I’m still alive.

You had me at the first 3 points as a fair argument, then lost me at the 4th. What's anti-white and anti-traditionalist about discouraging Nazism?

[Neanderthaland]

Nazi will latch onto any symbol that they can find. It’s why we can’t have nice things.

No, I’m asking when the Nazis used the Imperial German Flag instead of the swastika

From what little I was able to dig up, they hoisted this flag on commemoration days:

And this flag each year on the 31st of May (the anniversary of the Battle of Jutland):

There's one other instance of a similar flag being used that I could find, but it was only for 1 year, and only as part of a water-sports event. Pretty minimal stuff overall, clearly done as an homage.

[Strazhnist Tsarus]

Aside from the ridiculousness and feeble mindedness of it,
1. NeoNazis will only use more esoteric imagery to identify themselves. You’re blocking a path with a pole.
2. Free speech and whatnot, which is pretty common an argument. Not gonna waste time here.
3. It’s not like history will repeat itself if it’s not banned. Again, “nazis” will only use esoteric imagery as more and more of their “hate symbols” are banned. You’re not going to stop history from repeating itself by banning a damn flag!
4. The only real reason it is banned is (dumbed down) because people don’t like it. Tough! I really don’t like the anti-white. anti-traditionalist status quo, and in fact I run the risk of being cancelled if I speak out against it, yet somehow I’m still alive.

You had me at the first 3 points as a fair argument, then lost me at the 4th. What's anti-white and anti-traditionalist about discouraging Nazism?

The last point is me relating to how minorities or jews may feel about seeing nazi imagery.

[Mathuvan Union]

The iron cross symbol should be banned; but not the overall flag.
Because it’s only really the iron cross I see as neo-nazi

The Iron cross picked up from the Teutonic knight and was the symbol of Prussia and Germany long before the Nazis came along.

Let’s see how much that changed... nothing. In your theory then the swastika would be acceptable. It’s not.
The Nazis latched on to a symbol, they used it, we can’t. As much as I don’t have a problem with the Teutonic Knights and Prussia, I have a problem with it being used to promote National Socialist ideals.

[Mathuvan Union]

You had me at the first 3 points as a fair argument, then lost me at the 4th. What's anti-white and anti-traditionalist about discouraging Nazism?

The last point is me relating to how minorities or jews may feel about seeing nazi imagery.

People have to face the world. This may contradict my point previous, but honestly it’s a part of life, love it or hate it.
Promoting it, however? No.

[Strazhnist Tsarus]

The last point is me relating to how minorities or jews may feel about seeing nazi imagery.

People have to face the world. This may contradict my point previous, but honestly it’s a part of life, love it or hate it.
Promoting it, however? No.

That is a 100% contradictory post; anti-whiteness and anti-traditionalism is actively promoted by megacorporations among other significant groups, and they are highly successful in doing so.
The modern "nazi" has almost a 0% chance of success within the foreseeable future, so why even be concerned about nazi imagery?

[Kangora]

What's wrong with being fascist or a Nazi? Oy vey, never forget the 6 trillion!

[West Leas Oros 2]

What's wrong with being fascist or a Nazi? Oy vey, never forget the 6 trillion!

Bro, not cool.

[Saiwania]

I don't care if the iron cross was used in any form by the Nazis, it is still the most German symbol that exists and thus; it can't be banned effectively speaking. If a sufficiently conservative and sensible government gets into power in Germany, all of this silliness will be undone in short order I'd expect.

[Rusozak]

I don't care if the iron cross was used in any form by the Nazis, it is still the most German symbol that exists and thus; it can't be banned effectively speaking. If a sufficiently conservative and sensible government gets into power in Germany, all of this silliness will be undone in short order I'd expect.

The iron cross is still used by the modern German military, anyways.

[Costa Fierro]

The German Imperial flag (and it's variants) was used by the Nazis. If it didn't, the German Empire has it's own dark history of colonialism in Africa and it being the first nation in WWI to use chemical weapons, probably some other stuff I'm missing.

Genocide in South West Africa, although banning the flag because of that would be like demanding to ban the flag of the United Kingdom, France, or Belgium.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The German Imperial flag (and it's variants) was used by the Nazis. If it didn't, the German Empire has it's own dark history of colonialism in Africa and it being the first nation in WWI to use chemical weapons, probably some other stuff I'm missing.

Genocide in South West Africa, although banning the flag because of that would be like demanding to ban the flag of the United Kingdom, France, or Belgium.

You got to hand it to the Belgians, they practiced pretty brutal acts in the Congo.

[The Two Jerseys]

Genocide in South West Africa, although banning the flag because of that would be like demanding to ban the flag of the United Kingdom, France, or Belgium.

You got to hand it to the Belgians, they practiced pretty brutal acts in the Congo.

I see what you did there...

[Farnhamia]

What's wrong with being fascist or a Nazi? Oy vey, never forget the 6 trillion!

Brilliant first post, brilliant.

*** Warned for trolling ***

[Omnum]

Provide a good argument as to why the Nazi flag shouldn't be banned.

Aside from the ridiculousness and feeble mindedness of it,
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4. The only real reason it is banned is (dumbed down) because people don’t like it. Tough! I really don’t like the anti-white. anti-traditionalist status quo, and in fact I run the risk of being cancelled if I speak out against it, yet somehow I’m still alive.

This is such a false equivalence I don't even know where to begin
For starters society is not anti-white or anti-traditionalist
We dont go around demolishing beautiful cathedrals because they are part of traditions that dont hurt anyone
The """"tradition"""" of stoning witches does hurt people, and became outdated as society advanced, and so has the """tradition"""" of outlawing gay marriage. These aren't traditions. Theyre harmful laws. Tradition is seperate to that. If you conflate the two, youre not a traditionalist, youre just a homophobe or racist looking for an excuse to justify himself

[Freiheit Reich]

If they ban this flag, they need to ban flags of any nation that has human rights issues. This includes Saudi Arabia and The Maldives (lack of freedom of religion), China (so many issues that I can't name them all here); France (past colonialism), The United States (invading Iraq), Iraq (invading Kuwait), etc...

After banning flags, they need to work on banning plenty of other things which are offensive. Skirts and women showing their faces (offends many Muslim males), religious symbols (offends competing religions), meat (offends vegetarians and hard core animal rights supporters), non-Chinese from wearing cheongsam dresses (offends hard core liberals that cry 'cultural approbation), etc...

[Omnum]

If they ban this flag, they need to ban flags of any nation that has human rights issues. This includes Saudi Arabia and The Maldives (lack of freedom of religion), China (so many issues that I can't name them all here); France (past colonialism), The United States (invading Iraq), Iraq (invading Kuwait), etc...

After banning flags, they need to work on banning plenty of other things which are offensive. Skirts and women showing their faces (offends many Muslim males), religious symbols (offends competing religions), meat (offends vegetarians and hard core animal rights supporters), non-Chinese from wearing cheongsam dresses (offends hard core liberals that cry 'cultural approbation), etc...

They actually don't need to do those things.