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California’s governor signed an executive order on Wednesday that would ban the sale of gas-only cars within 15 years, in a bid to combat the effects of climate change crisis.

The move comes as the state battles historic wildfires, following a summer of record-high temperatures. “We can’t continue down this path,” Gavin Newsom said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ate-change


https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environ ... 5-n1240878

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california ... 1600882738

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New gasoline powered autos will eventually be phased out in the state of California. Given how large California is, this could inevitably force a massive change in the lineup of automobiles sold within the entirety of the United States, as manufacturers must comply with the largest economy within the country to have access to its market.

Granted the push away from fossil fuels towards EVs is happening naturally, this could prove effective in hastening the move.

Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Liriena wrote:Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Bring back the days when we had the largest mass transit system in the world

I can get behind that.

I don't fully trust electric cars yet, mainly because I still can't get a damn laptop with a battery that lasts more than a year. Hopefully by 2035, things will be different.

Liriena wrote:Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Having loved not driving or using a steering wheel at all in months, I would love making public transport (and sidewalks) available and convenient everywhere within reason (we don't need ferries patrolling Point Nemo, or bike lanes in all of Siberia).

Gasoline will run out eventually anyway. High speed underground maglevs and low speed electric trolleybuses (cheaper than most electric vehicles because the battery needn't last long) would be nice.

I despise driving, mostly because people expect me to go over 70 % of the speed limit outside of the city limits.

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Gandhian India wrote:I don't fully trust electric cars yet, mainly because I still can't get a damn laptop with a battery that lasts more than a year. Hopefully by 2035, things will be different.

My $300 laptop made in 2014 and never worked on just died this year (mechanical hard drive fell apart literally). Trolleybusses avoid the batter issue mostly.

Liriena wrote:Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Too limited to where you can place tracks. The future is in transporters like Star Trek.

*Not responsible for disappearing limbs or inverted organs

Well-intentioned, and certainly admirable, but it poses a lot of questions. Will EVs be affordable compared to gasoline cars by then? Will EV manufacturers be more committed to lowering their carbon footprint as well by then? I'm conflicted, part of me recognizes that extreme action is necessary to fight climate change, but at the same time, I know something like this that sounds great on paper is bound to have a ton of potential drawbacks.

Interesting news nonetheless.

Rusozak wrote:

Liriena wrote:Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Too limited to where you can place tracks. The future is in transporters like Star Trek.

*Not responsible for disappearing limbs or inverted organs

Situs inversus is okay, but reversed chirality for all biochemicals would be disastrous.

Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

The Exarchate of the West wrote:Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

I highly doubt any vehicle owned by anyone in my immediate family will still run well in fifteen years anyway.

Kanadorika wrote:

Liriena wrote:Pretty based, but as a proud member of train gang, I think they should ban cars and demolish highways and fill the entire state with traaaaaaaains.

Bring back the days when we had the largest mass transit system in the world

I can get behind that.

Damn, the world's largest? It must be sad to see Japan and China overtake you so much like that

The Exarchate of the West wrote:Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

There already is a Federal tax incentive for electric cars, and IIRC California also has a state tax incentive.

But yeah, bringing back Cash for Clunkers would be nice.

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:

The Exarchate of the West wrote:Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

I highly doubt any vehicle owned by anyone in my immediate family will still run well in fifteen years anyway.

*Laughs in Honda*

The nice thing about the 2035 limit is that it's so far in the future they don't have to ever meet it.

This is stupid.

Major-Tom wrote:

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:I highly doubt any vehicle owned by anyone in my immediate family will still run well in fifteen years anyway.

*Laughs in Honda*

How'd you know?

The Lone Alliance wrote:The nice thing about the 2035 limit is that it's so far in the future they don't have to ever meet it.

At the rate this year is going...

2035 is most likely about when my current car will finally bite it and need replacing, so... yay?

Monsone wrote:There already is a Federal tax incentive for electric cars, and IIRC California also has a state tax incentive.

That's nice to know, actually. Asking motorists to give up gaz-guzzlers with nothing in exchange is a bit of an overreach.

My misgivings about hybrids amounts to a couple of questions.

Are they affordable for the everyman? (I'm not rolling in dough)
Are they maintenance-intensive? (My current beater is constantly in need of repair for some reason or another)

But yeah, bringing back Cash for Clunkers would be nice.

It wasn't a bad idea, not at all.

Good, now the rest of the world should follow. Electric cars are the future (until we get magical teleportation)

Gandhian India wrote:I don't fully trust electric cars yet, mainly because I still can't get a damn laptop with a battery that lasts more than a year. Hopefully by 2035, things will be different.

Might be your laptop maker.

I had to replace the batteries on one Prius. It lasted 16 years.

The Lone Alliance wrote:The nice thing about the 2035 limit is that it's so far in the future they don't have to ever meet it.

Really? I remember when 2020 was the future date everyone used and that came around quick enough. 15 years doesn't seem a very long time to me.

great, by then we'll have massively overshot our emissions targets so it won't really matter, but great


if you're going to try to stop climate change either go all in on preventive measures (i.e., putting something like this in place within the next couple years, along with a host of other massive efforts), or give up and spend the money on palliative care or treatment of symptoms (relocation of communities from fire zones, high-altitude sulfur dioxide spraying, carbon capture), but half-assing one and not doing the other is a recipe for disaster and waste

The Exarchate of the West wrote:Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

It's not that big of a deal by European standards. The real question is whether the infrastructure will be able to handle it.

Don't they predict climate change to destroy Earth by like 2030? They're overshooting this by 5 full years. By then it won't even matter.

We need to ban all cars (gas, electric, Flintstones-powered, etc.) and bring back good old horse carriages. Climate change wasn't an issue when those were around, now was it? (It probably was and I just look like a jackass).

SD_Film Artists wrote:

The Exarchate of the West wrote:Good Lord, to think Ronald Reagan was once Governor there. I live in NY and Cuomo wouldn't even propose something so.. Off-the-wall. I hope some incentive is offered to people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers for something, anything.. Tax credit? Cash for clunkers?

It's not that big of a deal by European standards. The real question is whether the infrastructure will be able to handle it.

Assuming the country isn't enveloped in civil war in 40ish days or whatever, US infrastructure (idk if you mean battery production infrastructure, automakers, or road systems?) isn't going to be the problem so much as the ability of countries like Bolivia and the DRC to sustain the necessary levels of lithium and cobalt production and export (especially given the simultaneous ramp-up of demand in other countries).