Thai Protests to Reform Monarchy

[-Astoria-]

Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.

I don't think the trashy tabloid articles spreading salacious and defamatory rumors about the British royal family should exist. As flawed as Thailand's laws might be, I think there are perfectly legitimate reasons for such laws to exist.

Given the insanely-long prison terms handed out for mere Facebook posrs, I'm not so sure.

[Novus America]

While that is definitely necessary, (the current king is a disaster) they still probably need other reforms, especially on the draconian Lèse-majesté laws.

Although the king is an easy target (being a dissolute and depraved sociopathic absentee playboy who is hiding in Germany) the problems are deeper than him.

Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.

I agree personally, but Thai culture is different than ours, the role of its leader different.
Easing the laws would probably be easier than outright abolishing them.
The older generations still hold immense respect for the monarchy as an idea, (even if they dislike the current king) and seem to often support some such laws.

[Feline Goetland]

Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.

I agree personally, but Thai culture is different than ours, the role of its leader different.
Easing the laws would probably be easier than outright abolishing them.
The older generations still hold immense respect for the monarchy as an idea, and seem to often support some such laws.

Not having lese-majeste laws won’t cause the monarchy to collapse in the same sense that people bashing Obama and Trump haven’t caused either Obama or Trump to be destroyed. Occupy Wall Street Protests haven’t destroyed Wall Street. Hatred of Freemasonry hasn’t destroyed Freemasonry. So there is actually no purpose of such things existing other than older generations imposing stinking cultural authoritarianism on younger ones.

[Kexholm Karelia]

The lese majesty laws in Thailand are more comparable to blasphemy laws than criticizing the leader laws, because in Thailand, the king is viewed as divine representative of god rather than just a very high ranking noble like the West

[Novus America]

I agree personally, but Thai culture is different than ours, the role of its leader different.
Easing the laws would probably be easier than outright abolishing them.
The older generations still hold immense respect for the monarchy as an idea, and seem to often support some such laws.

Not having lese-majeste laws won’t cause the monarchy to collapse in the same sense that people bashing Obama and Trump haven’t caused either Obama or Trump to be destroyed. Occupy Wall Street Protests haven’t destroyed Wall Street. Hatred of Freemasonry hasn’t destroyed Freemasonry. So there is actually no purpose of such things existing other than older generations imposing stinking cultural authoritarianism on younger ones.

Fair point, but to get a change passed you need the older generations to go along with it.
Realistically they are not going to be abolished overnight.

[Feline Goetland]

Not having lese-majeste laws won’t cause the monarchy to collapse in the same sense that people bashing Obama and Trump haven’t caused either Obama or Trump to be destroyed. Occupy Wall Street Protests haven’t destroyed Wall Street. Hatred of Freemasonry hasn’t destroyed Freemasonry. So there is actually no purpose of such things existing other than older generations imposing stinking cultural authoritarianism on younger ones.

Fair point, but to get a change passed you need the older generations to go along with it.
Realistically they are not going to be abolished overnight.

I agree.

P.S. Why is there no maximum age on voting???

[-Astoria-]

Fair point, but to get a change passed you need the older generations to go along with it.
Realistically they are not going to be abolished overnight.

I agree.

P.S. Why is there no maximum age on voting???

"Maximum age"?

[The Rich Port]

It's funny how strong men become so weak in the face of democracy.

[Feline Goetland]

I agree.

P.S. Why is there no maximum age on voting???

"Maximum age"?

Yes since very old people actually vote more for they don’t tend to work. Moreover they have econ socialist, social traditionalist and authoritarian tendencies in general. Is it really a good idea that they vote in order to increase their retirement income and force younger people to bow down to them???

[Thermodolia]

Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.

Thailand is under a military dictatorship. They aren’t going to do jackshit

[Bienenhalde]

I agree.

P.S. Why is there no maximum age on voting???

Because that would be pointless and arbitrary discrimination against the elderly. As long as an old person is of sound mind, why should they not be allowed to vote.

[Feline Goetland]

I agree.

P.S. Why is there no maximum age on voting???

Because that would be pointless and arbitrary discrimination against the elderly. As long as an old person is of sound mind, why should they not be allowed to vote.

That might be necessary to make sure that societies can have progress.

[Bienenhalde]

Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.

Thailand is under a military dictatorship. They aren’t going to do jackshit

Well it would be nice if the people in power had morals. But even if they don't, hopefully popular protests could force them to do the right thing.

[Shofercia]

Seems the young Thai populace really is much less traditional, and much more progressive then prior generations. Then again, it's hard to support a king who does nothing for his country, while upping corruption.

What about Putin?

Putin lowered corruption, then again, a child could've lowered Yetlsin's corruption, but, as the image above shows Putin did plenty of good things for Russia.

[Feline Goetland]

What about Putin?

Putin lowered corruption, then again, a child could've lowered Yetlsin's corruption, but, as the image above shows Putin did plenty of good things for Russia.

Doesn’t make his authoritarianism less of a problem. He is a variant of Laverentiy Beria who actually became the leader of the Soviet Union.

It is not surprising that Russostatists and Sinostatists have similar “concepts”.

[Shofercia]

Putin lowered corruption, then again, a child could've lowered Yetlsin's corruption, but, as the image above shows Putin did plenty of good things for Russia.

Doesn’t make his authoritarianism less of a problem. He is a variant of Laverentiy Beria who actually became the leader of the Soviet Union.

It is not surprising that Russostatists and Sinostatists have similar “concepts”.

The question was about Putin doing nothing, and about Putin increasing corruption. Only country in Eastern Europe to go above Yeltsin's levels of corruption is Ukraine, or perhaps, as a Russian I should say Mykraine, but that's beside the point. Putin, very clearly, did not increase corruption. As far as doing nothing - his demographic reforms were nothing... short of phenomenal, exceeding even the wildest UN Projections.

While Beria purged the Red Army and the Red Navy, Putin actually gave the Russian Armed Forces a free hand, and we saw the results in the Second Chechen War, the Ossetian War, and in Syria. He also ensured that the Russian Armed Forces kept on being supplied during the Dagestan War, making his war record 3-0 in terms of wars that ended, and he's winning the one that's ongoing. There was also the Crimean Victory, but I'm hesitant to call that a war, since no one died.

Also, when did Beria lead the USSR? No, that one time in your imagination doesn't count.

[Andsed]

Dope. Hope they succeed.

[Novus America]

Putin has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, whatsoever.
Not a mod, but seems to be a thread jack.

[Feline Goetland]

Putin has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, whatsoever.
Not a mod, but seems to be a thread jack.

I agree.

[Shofercia]

Putin has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, whatsoever.
Not a mod, but seems to be a thread jack.

You didn't seem to mind when he was being attacked, but now that facts have arrived, it's suddenly off topic for you. Anyways, on topic - if the protests would be sandwiched on a helipad, would it be considered a Pad Thai?

On a more serious note - what's the Royal Family's Budget? Is it really that extravagant?

[Neutraligon]

I don't think the trashy tabloid articles spreading salacious and defamatory rumors about the British royal family should exist. As flawed as Thailand's laws might be, I think there are perfectly legitimate reasons for such laws to exist.

We will probably not even be able to agree to disagree since you really have problems with the very concept of freedom. You remind me of Chinese traditionalists who just like communists are pure cancer.

This earns you your second DEAT for this type of behavior. If you cannot shape up and learn to follow the rules you will no longer be allowed on this website. *** DEAT+4 week ban for trolling+flaming ***

[Albionist Great Britain]

I wish the protesters luck in breaking the corruption and tyranny that infests Thailand. I’m wholly opposed to the abolition of the monarchy, however, and instead believe the people need to assert their rights and the powers of the monarch to be something like that in England, though adapted for Thai culture and customs.

[New haven america]

I respect the tenacity of these protesters, but feel cynical. I feel like anti-corruption and anti-monarchy protests are commonplace every few years or so in Thailand, and the end result is usually some short-term sense that change might come, but it never truly does.

Nah, Thailand in general loved the former king and hated the very idea of his heir taking power.

Now that he's in power, well, that's not exactly going well for him.

[New haven america]

Seems the young Thai populace really is much less traditional, and much more progressive then prior generations. Then again, it's hard to support a king who does nothing for his country, while upping corruption.

What about Putin?

Learned Helplessness.

There's this trend in the population of former authoritarian countries that, even in a democracy, that the opinion or wants of the populace don't matter so you should just sit down and take whatever happens to you. This explains why countries like Belarus, Hungary, Turkey, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, etc... have been able to fall into dictatorships so quickly, because the populace isn't willing to do anything or doesn't realize they can do anything until it's too late for that change to actually happen.

[New haven america]

What about Putin?

Putin lowered corruption, then again, a child could've lowered Yetlsin's corruption, but, as the image above shows Putin did plenty of good things for Russia.

No, he just replaced Yeltsin's corruption with his own corruption.

Yeah, and the US itself was poorer back in the 90's too. Just because a country's doing better economically doesn't means it's doing better socially or politically.