Social Justice, Intersectionality, and Privilege

[Ricksolot]

It's a matter of surviving.[/quote]

If your old enough then I recommend legally acquiring a firearm for self defense. I also recommend acquiring the skills to use your firearm effectively.

Stay Safe

[The Lone Alliance]

I like to think that the massive push for Social Justice was mostly a response to Occupy Wall Street, it was an effort to divide people up and turn them against one another by bringing back racism in a modern format.

It wasn't actually designed to create actual social justice, but designed to make people feel good and self righteous while doing things that truthfully don't actually threaten the ultra rich.

So despite what people actually say, Social Justice isn't designed to be Marxist, it's actually designed to destroy Marxism. It's also designed to destroy Conservatism, Libertarianism, and any other Ideology that isn't modern Neoliberalism by saying every other ideology is hopelessly racist or actively enables racism. I would even say it's designed to destroy Progressives as well by making it a form of progressivism owned by big business and the media.

The only way to be a good anti-racist is to listen to your masters in the tech industry, big business, and the Mainstream media and listen to the highly overpaid diversity consultants that your big corporation is hiring to tell you how privileged you are.

Please do continue to ignore the fact that your big big boss just made a 700% profit in the past 5 years.

[Cisairse]

In the sense of its definition. Social intersectionality attempts to defend the interest of those facing social oppression in alliance with those who are facing other types of oppression, or not, in order to advance the interest of those being oppressed socially. Social justice is in fact the only goal.

Cool, but how do we decide who faces social oppression, or far more importantly, how we remedy oppression. I'm all for advancing the interest of the socially oppressed, but at what cost?

That is what worries me. The left currently has a reputation as violent, racebaiting haters. I would hope our theories would disprove that conception, rather than cast even the slightest hint of legitimacy.

As with most things, these topics deserve specific and just treatment, and not to be disrespected by proscribing one-size-fits-all solutions.

[Nazeroth]

all white people should go back to europe

all blacks to africa etc etc

and all american lands returned to the natives, low population or not.

[Cisairse]

Honestly the United States of America is the least oppressive country in the world. I think identity politics is just a tool for planting the seeds of hatred and contention. By their fruit you will recognize them. Just take a look at what people do versus what they say. BLM is just a Marxist organization bent on brainwashing colored people. And antifa is a terrorist group. Additionally Marx was a racist himself soooooo. Not to mention that no communist or socialist government has ever existed without the mass execution of millions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7C6tNjiRKY

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboo ... ist-164792

I personally don't care that Marx was racist. Especially considering he lived at a time when slavery was still a thing for much of his life. Who wasn't at least somewhat racist then? Nobody is perfect.

Also, LOLing at the hilariously stupid take that BLM or Antifa are Marxist.

Also also, nice "Communism killed 10 quintillion people" there. It's almost as stupid as the "What about Venezuela?!?!?!?"

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

[Nazeroth]

I personally don't care that Marx was racist. Especially considering he lived at a time when slavery was still a thing for much of his life. Who wasn't at least somewhat racist then? Nobody is perfect.

Also, LOLing at the hilariously stupid take that BLM or Antifa are Marxist.

Also also, nice "Communism killed 10 quintillion people" there. It's almost as stupid as the "What about Venezuela?!?!?!?"

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

[Alternamerica]

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

Isn't Cancel Culture the new "Friend Zone" but instead it's political? You're just choosing to ignore someone or something because you don't like them. People do that all the time before "Cancel Culture" was a thing

[Borderlands of Rojava]

all white people should go back to europe

all blacks to africa etc etc

and all american lands returned to the natives, low population or not.

This has gotta be bait. I know you're right wing but not like that.

[Ricksolot]

I personally don't care that Marx was racist. Especially considering he lived at a time when slavery was still a thing for much of his life. Who wasn't at least somewhat racist then? Nobody is perfect.

Also, LOLing at the hilariously stupid take that BLM or Antifa are Marxist.

Also also, nice "Communism killed 10 quintillion people" there. It's almost as stupid as the "What about Venezuela?!?!?!?"

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

I already spoke of this in a previous response to someone else. Here’s what I said.

Also I accept the point that it’s not fair to judge men by standards that they did not live in. However I just thought that it was interesting that so many in BLM and similar groups have done the exact same thing with judging those of the past by the standards of today, I gave into the temptation to give them some of there own medicine. At least that’s the way I saw it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's a matter of surviving.

If your old enough then I recommend legally acquiring a firearm for self defense. I also recommend acquiring the skills to use your firearm effectively.

Stay Safe[/quote]

I own several guns. I bought my first a year after a PCP addict almost ripped me to shreads.

[Ricksolot]

It's a matter of surviving.

If your old enough then I recommend legally acquiring a firearm for self defense. I also recommend acquiring the skills to use your firearm effectively.

Stay Safe

I own several guns. I bought my first a year after a PCP addict almost ripped me to shreads.[/quote]


Nice, in regards to having firearms.
I’ve experienced addiction to. Just not to a chemical substances. Stay strong and never go back

[West Leas Oros 2]

Cool, but how do we decide who faces social oppression, or far more importantly, how we remedy oppression. I'm all for advancing the interest of the socially oppressed, but at what cost?

That is what worries me. The left currently has a reputation as violent, racebaiting haters. I would hope our theories would disprove that conception, rather than cast even the slightest hint of legitimacy.

As with most things, these topics deserve specific and just treatment, and not to be disrespected by proscribing one-size-fits-all solutions.

To be honest, that’s a bit of a disappointing answer. It comes off more as a dismissal. Not saying it is, but it reads to me “don’t worry about it”.

[West Leas Oros 2]

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

Here’s a shocking thought: Marxists can oppose Cancel Culture.

[Cisairse]

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

"Cancel culture" is literally not a problem at all if you aren't on Twitter, which, protip, you shouldn't be anyway.

[Cisairse]

If your old enough then I recommend legally acquiring a firearm for self defense. I also recommend acquiring the skills to use your firearm effectively.

Stay Safe

Sadly, guns are illegal in my state.

[Major-Tom]

It's worth noting that while Marx was somewhat racist and commonly used racist slurs in his personal life, he was a staunch abolitionist and repeatedly wrote letters to Pres. A. Lincoln demanding that he free the American slaves. He was absolutely a progressive in his age.

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

I think cancel culture might be less of a problem than some of y'all think. It exists, for sure, but in a deeply insular, toxic culture commonly referred to as Twitter. Most average people just don't think that way and aren't exposed to it.

[Cisairse]

As with most things, these topics deserve specific and just treatment, and not to be disrespected by proscribing one-size-fits-all solutions.

To be honest, that’s a bit of a disappointing answer. It comes off more as a dismissal. Not saying it is, but it reads to me “don’t worry about it”.

You can interpret it as a dismissal if you want; I'm rather saying that your question is wrong.

You're asking "How do we decide who faces social oppression" as if this is a singular question that can be answered singularly. It cannot be.

[Bassoe]

A secular repackagment of Original Sin, sans the possibility of forgiveness.

[West Leas Oros 2]

A secular repackagment of Original Sin, sans the possibility of forgiveness.

Not that I'm questioning your statement, but what is your reasoning for saying so. Intersectionality, in and of itself at least, isn't quite so vengeful. It's just often paired with vengeance.

[Bassoe]

Intersectionality, in and of itself at least, isn't quite so vengeful. It's just often paired with vengeance.

When has it not been?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Intersectionality, in and of itself at least, isn't quite so vengeful. It's just often paired with vengeance.

When has it not been?

Well, from what I gather, it seems to be at its core a call for unity among identities. Supporting the struggles of others and them supporting you. You work together at the "intersections" of issues. It has been abused more often than not though. It just seems odd. The idea behind it is unity and coalition-building, but generally, it takes the opposite form. Whatever the case, I'm skeptical of it.

[Bassoe]

A secular repackagment of Original Sin, sans the possibility of forgiveness.

Not that I'm questioning your statement, but what is your reasoning for saying so. Intersectionality, in and of itself at least, isn't quite so vengeful. It's just often paired with vengeance.

You've got original sin which everyone possesses and only the cult can nullify, potential cultists are supposed to isolate themselves from everything and everyone not approved of by the cult leadership, there's a potential future earthly paradise to be achieved once everyone has been forced into the cult, disagreement or even doubt regarding cult dogma is considered proof of being pure evil, etc. Just change the terminology around a bit and it fits most of the warning signs.

[Cordel One]

Social justice is an extremely vague term, but if something's popular enough companies will pretend to care. This will get them support and strip the movement of it meaning. If an oppressor truly cared it would stop being oppressive.

[Imperialisium]

That can be said about TONS of people today, guess what there reward is? Cancel Culture

Isn't Cancel Culture the new "Friend Zone" but instead it's political? You're just choosing to ignore someone or something because you don't like them. People do that all the time before "Cancel Culture" was a thing

Not quite.

Cancel Culture is basically the Left (used generically) deliberately wishing to brand someone as a evil, terrible, unethical, amoral, and quite frankly ‘bad’ person in need of their lives destroyed unless they prostrate themselves before the Left in apology. Generally fo holding anything as a contrary view or what breaches mainstream left doctrine.

Basically a weird modern concept of the 17th century Witch Hunt that you'd find in the pages of The Crucible.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Isn't Cancel Culture the new "Friend Zone" but instead it's political? You're just choosing to ignore someone or something because you don't like them. People do that all the time before "Cancel Culture" was a thing

Not quite.

Cancel Culture is basically the Left (used generically) deliberately wishing to brand someone as a evil, terrible, unethical, amoral, and quite frankly ‘bad’ person in need of their lives destroyed unless they prostrate themselves before the Left in apology. Generally fo holding anything as a contrary view or what breaches mainstream left doctrine.

Basically a weird modern concept of the 17th century Witch Hunt that you'd find in the pages of The Crucible.

Sounds more like the tactics of the Twitterati more than the old guard lefties and their fancy pants dialectics.