should Oregon split up or join Pacific Northwest in a union?

[Treciene]

Cascadia should be nonexistent and America should be the land it is right now.

[Broader Confederate States]

sshhh, I am trying to restart a border war here.

Fifty-Four Forty or Fight motherfuckers!

Seriously though if the people of Oregon, Washington and BC wanted to form one US state, called Cascadia fine with me.
But I am never going support partitioning the US, especially as that would just be giving the PRC world domination.

People supporting partitioning the US (thankfully a tiny fringe) are effectively doing the work of anti-Western authoritarian regimes (who of course support such movements.

I want both to break up, not just the US. It's just that I only live in one of them.

[Novus America]

Fifty-Four Forty or Fight motherfuckers!

Seriously though if the people of Oregon, Washington and BC wanted to form one US state, called Cascadia fine with me.
But I am never going support partitioning the US, especially as that would just be giving the PRC world domination.

People supporting partitioning the US (thankfully a tiny fringe) are effectively doing the work of anti-Western authoritarian regimes (who of course support such movements.

I want both to break up, not just the US. It's just that I only live in one of them.

But then it is purely hypothetical. Because the PRC is not broken up. Only AFTER it is broken up (which it will not be) would that be a good argument.

Anyways it is still much better to make reforms within the existing US federal structure (which already gives states large autonomy) anyways, to get the continued benefits of autonomy yet also joint military protections, open travel, infrastructure, and joint leverage on the international stage.

Small independent states are largely sidelined and/or already hopelessly dependent on larger ones anyways. No country is truly independent. You are only independent if you are fully self sufficient, not reliant on anyone else or any international organization for anything.

In a dog eat dog world be be a big mean dog, or be dog food.

[Ethel mermania]

We will call it

Ethel

[Torisakia]

If we're willing to risk another civil war, then sure. They can exist or secede all they want.

[Nilokeras]

Speaking as a BC'er at one point it might have been a good idea but it's really not now. Stapling ourselves to the least bad part of a failed state is still stapling ourselves to a failed state.

That's rude. I mean, I agree that Canada is definitely a failed state and was a mistake to have as one country, but you don't have to say it.

It's failed states all around, really. The US because of its terminal imperial decline/capitalist death cult and Canada because it's three mining companies in a trench coat.

[WayNeacTia]

Alaska and Yukon maybe?

Cascadian Movement:
Oregon, Washington, Idaho, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Alaska and maybe even California

How's about asking us Canadians if we may object to BC, the Yukon and NWT being annexed? And why NWT? No mountains anywhere close to it. It is a flat, frozen desert, with a whole bunch of lakes. Should be great farm land in about 40 years when the permafrost permanently melts.

[Broader Confederate States]

I want both to break up, not just the US. It's just that I only live in one of them.

But then it is purely hypothetical. Because the PRC is not broken up. Only AFTER it is broken up (which it will not be) would that be a good argument.

Anyways it is still much better to make reforms within the existing US federal structure (which already gives states large autonomy) anyways, to get the continued benefits of autonomy yet also joint military protections, open travel, infrastructure, and joint leverage on the international stage.

Small independent states are largely sidelined and/or already hopelessly dependent on larger ones anyways. No country is truly independent. You are only independent if you are fully self sufficient, not reliant on anyone else or any international organization for anything.

In a dog eat dog world be be a big mean dog, or be dog food.

It's a good thing I'm a supporter of as much autarky as is feasible then. And don't get me wrong, we have no reason not to be other than political pressures and "but we have to rely on other states!". We could sequester atmospheric carbon dioxide and water to make plastics and fuels, and the only reason we need to go through China to get electronics is that we classified thorium a source isotope. Marco Rubio proposed a law that would allow us to start mining rare earth elements without worrying about thorium but republicans bad so it's gonna end up dead in the water. Utilizing the thorium and uranium we have access to would make healthcare cheaper as well, but hot green metal technology bad, so...

[San Lumen]

If we're willing to risk another civil war, then sure. They can exist or secede all they want.

This is more about forming new states or changing boundaries not outright succession.

[New haven america]

Make Cascadia and then make it the 11th Canadian Province.

[Aclion]

It seems a little less ridiculous than the State of Jefferson, but even still it's kinda vague on what sort of state Cascadia would be.

Aclion but less french.

[Norastan]

Despite being a one time Cascadia supporter no I do not currently support it.

Also California is not and should not be considered part of the prospective nation.

Wouldn't want our superior cultural influence to take over.

Californian Nationalist comfirmed.

[Monsone]

If we're willing to risk another civil war, then sure. They can exist or secede all they want.

This is more about forming new states or changing boundaries not outright succession.

That's illegal according to Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

[Broader Confederate States]

This is more about forming new states or changing boundaries not outright succession.

That's illegal according to Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

well, there it is. otherwise, explain west virginia

[Kowani]

Wouldn't want our superior cultural influence to take over.

Californian Nationalist comfirmed.

If you think I’m a nationalist, you know nothing about me.

[Broader Confederate States]

Californian Nationalist comfirmed.

If you think I’m a nationalist, you know nothing about me.

nationalism doesn't have to be right wing, look at canada. they get a sense of smug satisfaction by being contrarians to whatever's popular down in the states

[Nilokeras]

This is more about forming new states or changing boundaries not outright succession.

That's illegal according to Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

''Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.''

[Nilokeras]

If you think I’m a nationalist, you know nothing about me.

nationalism doesn't have to be right wing, look at canada. they get a sense of smug satisfaction by being contrarians to whatever's popular down in the states

Canadian nationalism is just as much a tool of reaction as American nationalism is. It's just used differently - here it's a chloroform-soaked pillow designed to repress any criticism of the state or any hint of an inkling that things could ever change for the better, because we're already great and look how bad the Americans are.

[Monsone]

That's illegal according to Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

well, there it is. otherwise, explain west virginia

Note both Congress and the State Legislature. Considering that even if the State Legislatures of both states wanted this, Congress might very well just say no. It's arguably a pretty useless union in terms of creating a new state for the union and only makes sense in terms of becoming independent.

Plus West Virgina is the anomaly of states and was in fact created without the the consent of the State Legislature because the Virginia State Legislature just so happened to side with the Confederacy and was not willing to ratify the loss of territory to the Union.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I for one, would put my support behind the Republic of Cascadia.

[Thermodolia]

No. What part of the Union is Indivisible do you not understand?

As long as I’m alive no state shall leave the eternal union

[Novus America]

I for one, would put my support behind the Republic of Cascadia.

As a US state, sure if people want that.
But not to benefit PRC domination (which is what it leaving the US would do).

But anyways it seems like it lacks significant popular support anyways.

[Thermodolia]

well, there it is. otherwise, explain west virginia

Note both Congress and the State Legislature. Considering that even if the State Legislatures of both states wanted this, Congress might very well just say no. It's arguably a pretty useless union in terms of creating a new state for the union and only makes sense in terms of becoming independent.

Plus West Virgina is the anomaly of states and was in fact created without the the consent of the State Legislature because the Virginia State Legislature just so happened to side with the Confederacy and was not willing to ratify the loss of territory to the Union.

If the states in question are in rebellion then congress can do whatever they want to those rebellious states

[Anatoliyanskiy]

I'd recommend you set up a poll asking ''should Cascadia be a thing?'', and have the options Yes, No and just Oregon.

[San Lumen]

No. What part of the Union is Indivisible do you not understand?

As long as I’m alive no state shall leave the eternal union

In think what the OP is mixing up is a proposal for Oregon to split and join Idaho. Leaving the Union has never been discussed in that state.