should Oregon split up or join Pacific Northwest in a union?

[Corinthina]

More like we don't need the state to ruin another nation. Cascadia should be Washington, Oregon, Idaho and British Columbia, with maybe a handful of other places.

Plus Washingtonians and Oregonians already have created a superior culture, I mean Washington came out of Oregon

One thing I especially love about the PNW is Oregon and Washington's mutual hatred for each other LOL, particularly with sports. The Timbers vs. Sounders rivalry is probably the closest thing to a European level rivalry the MLS has. What I also love is the two states will bag on each other, but are probably the most similar in every aspect and there will no doubt be some love between the two as well.

All that said, RCTID, go Timbers!

[-Astoria-]

America's San Marino.

Nah not really all that comparable, San Marino is a micro-state, Oregon is not. Plus what about Vatican City, the smallest country in the world is basically a micro-city state within a capital city?

Nah; the American analogue to the Vatican is probably DC.

But to be fair, lemme think of another example: 30s Manchuria? Eh, maybe not...

[La Xinga]

Alaska and Yukon maybe?

Cascadian Movement:
Oregon, Washington, Idaho, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Alaska and maybe even California

Adding on the NT would make the map look weird.

Try it:

https://mapchart.net/usa-and-canada.html

And with Calif, you needa take Nevada.

[Bala Mantre]

California's economy is many things, but it has many structural issues that would give it a great deal of headache should it go independent. Oh well, that's their problem.

I'm not denying that. Having lived in California, I know what issues plauge the state. That being said, the economies of Washington and Oregon are fairly dependent on California. The tech sector in Seattle is made up of companies often (though not always) based in Silicon Valley with branches in Seattle. The aerospace sector in Washington is dependent on the aerospace industry in Southern California, the Central Valley is still a huge food-producing region, and some of the best universities in the US are in California.

With some reforms and possibly a water pipeline, California can easily be an integral part of an independent Cascadia.

And just like how California is dependent on Oregon for natural resources

[Corinthina]

Cascadian Movement:
Oregon, Washington, Idaho, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Alaska and maybe even California

Adding on the NT would make the map look weird.

Try it:

https://mapchart.net/usa-and-canada.html

And with Calif, you needa take Nevada.

I think any somewhat realistic Cascadian independence movement would look more along the bioregion borders rather than state borders. After all, Eastern Oregon is very different from Western Oregon in just about every way.

[Albionist Great Britain]

As much as it would be hip and neat to see an independent Oregon or American northwest, I entirely protest and oppose any secession or thievery of Canadian territory by lite-Americans or misguided Canadians.

Speaking from a purely geopolitical point of view: no, Cascadia should be put down as a secessionist movement like any other and Oregon shouldn’t be permitted to leave the Union. Both situations would weaken Canada and our ally the USA.

[Bala Mantre]

I just did some more research and Oregon actually comes out as number 1 in a lot of things according to the CIA handbook.
We are also the 42cd poorest state in the union and our richest town is Bethany which is a suburb in Portland

[Washington Resistance Army]

Plus Washingtonians and Oregonians already have created a superior culture, I mean Washington came out of Oregon

One thing I especially love about the PNW is Oregon and Washington's mutual hatred for each other LOL, particularly with sports. The Timbers vs. Sounders rivalry is probably the closest thing to a European level rivalry the MLS has. What I also love is the two states will bag on each other, but are probably the most similar in every aspect and there will no doubt be some love between the two as well.

All that said, RCTID, go Timbers!

We wouldn't hate Oregon if the damn Oregonians learned how to drive.

[Monsone]

I'm not denying that. Having lived in California, I know what issues plague the state. That being said, the economies of Washington and Oregon are fairly dependent on California. The tech sector in Seattle is made up of companies often (though not always) based in Silicon Valley with branches in Seattle. The aerospace sector in Washington is dependent on the aerospace industry in Southern California, the Central Valley is still a huge food-producing region, and some of the best universities in the US are in California.

With some reforms and possibly a water pipeline, California can easily be an integral part of an independent Cascadia.

And just like how California is dependent on Oregon for natural resources

It's a symbiotic relationship between California, Washington, and Oregon. And no, the water pipeline idea isn't all that far out it's been proposed several times.

[Heloin]

For California did you read that the wrong way round or type it the wrong way round?


Eh, the Gambia exists so the world is already used to fuck ugly borders.

1. I stand by what I said. I know it's 41, but it still takes cash out which it needs.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... m-the-u-s/

#4 shows us it's debt, the thing holding it up is the country as a whole.

Points one and two are idiotic. Four doesn't make any sense but then again it's clear that the website doesn't know what it's talking about after points one and two. Five looks like it's written by a someone a bit two into Reagan having a fever dream. And while three is technically correct it reads like it's written by someone talking to a toddler.

So no, the conservative equivalent of Buzz Feed you just showed me did not convince me anything you are saying isn't utter shite.

2. Oregon out of the union looks weirder.

I think it'd be funny.

[Corinthina]

One thing I especially love about the PNW is Oregon and Washington's mutual hatred for each other LOL, particularly with sports. The Timbers vs. Sounders rivalry is probably the closest thing to a European level rivalry the MLS has. What I also love is the two states will bag on each other, but are probably the most similar in every aspect and there will no doubt be some love between the two as well.

All that said, RCTID, go Timbers!

We wouldn't hate Oregon if the damn Oregonians learned how to drive.

I have literally heard the opposite argument from Oregonians about Washington drivers! LOL

[Bala Mantre]

One thing I especially love about the PNW is Oregon and Washington's mutual hatred for each other LOL, particularly with sports. The Timbers vs. Sounders rivalry is probably the closest thing to a European level rivalry the MLS has. What I also love is the two states will bag on each other, but are probably the most similar in every aspect and there will no doubt be some love between the two as well.

All that said, RCTID, go Timbers!

We wouldn't hate Oregon if the damn Oregonians learned how to drive.

Your not so close to the state of Idaho.
Problem is that Californians and Idohoians drive so fast on the roads
And also we havent even hit 5 million people in our state so roads arent as jammed

[La Xinga]

1. I stand by what I said. I know it's 41, but it still takes cash out which it needs.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... m-the-u-s/

#4 shows us it's debt, the thing holding it up is the country as a whole.

Points one and two are idiotic. Four doesn't make any sense but then again it's clear that the website doesn't know what it's talking about after points one and two. Five looks like it's written by a someone a bit two into Reagan having a fever dream. And while three is technically correct it reads like it's written by someone talking to a toddler.

So no, the conservative equivalent of Buzz Feed you just showed me did not convince me anything you are saying isn't utter shite.

2. Oregon out of the union looks weirder.

I think it'd be funny.

1. We're talking about 4.
2.

[Bear Stearns]

California's economy is many things, but it has many structural issues that would give it a great deal of headache should it go independent. Oh well, that's their problem.

I'm not denying that. Having lived in California, I know what issues plauge the state. That being said, the economies of Washington and Oregon are fairly dependent on California. The tech sector in Seattle is made up of companies often (though not always) based in Silicon Valley with branches in Seattle. The aerospace sector in Washington is dependent on the aerospace industry in Southern California, the Central Valley is still a huge food-producing region, and some of the best universities in the US are in California.

With some reforms and possibly a water pipeline, California can easily be an integral part of an independent Cascadia.

It would need to work out it's third world levels of income inequality.

[Aterman]

quite simply, no.


oregon alone: definitely not
cascadia: definitely not

both are purely hypothetical and can/could never be real. sorry.

[La Xinga]

Points one and two are idiotic. Four doesn't make any sense but then again it's clear that the website doesn't know what it's talking about after points one and two. Five looks like it's written by a someone a bit two into Reagan having a fever dream. And while three is technically correct it reads like it's written by someone talking to a toddler.

So no, the conservative equivalent of Buzz Feed you just showed me did not convince me anything you are saying isn't utter shite.


I think it'd be funny.

1. We're talking about 4.
2.

and https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol ... story.html

[Albionist Great Britain]

quite simply, no.


oregon alone: definitely not
cascadia: definitely not

both are purely hypothetical and can/could never be real. sorry.

I think the best reaction to this kind of funny business is to laugh at it and mock how pathetic it is. These ideas are directly damaging to Transatlantic power and hegemony.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We wouldn't hate Oregon if the damn Oregonians learned how to drive.

I have literally heard the opposite argument from Oregonians about Washington drivers! LOL

They're just projecting their own failings onto us, obviously.

[Heloin]

Points one and two are idiotic. Four doesn't make any sense but then again it's clear that the website doesn't know what it's talking about after points one and two. Five looks like it's written by a someone a bit two into Reagan having a fever dream. And while three is technically correct it reads like it's written by someone talking to a toddler.

So no, the conservative equivalent of Buzz Feed you just showed me did not convince me anything you are saying isn't utter shite.


I think it'd be funny.

1. We're talking about 4.

Point four was written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. The rest of the article helps prove that.

2.

I think it'd look funny. There isn't always a deeper meaning to every single thing I say.

[Kowani]

I have literally heard the opposite argument from Oregonians about Washington drivers! LOL

They're just projecting their own failings onto us, obviously.

Looking at the crash rates, Oregon is worse.

[La Xinga]

1. We're talking about 4.

Point four was written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. The rest of the article helps prove that.

2.

I think it'd look funny. There isn't always a deeper meaning to every single thing I say.

1. If you don't trust them, then https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol ... story.html
2. Really now.

[Revanch]

Speaking as a Social Democrat (see SPD, Weimar Republic, the ACTUAL Three Arrows on my alt's 'flag') on the East Coast:
--Oregon and Washington out? O-kay! Will you take Florida, too? Regular attention to the news has shown me that half of the crazy sh-- disrupting the USA comes out of those three states, and it would be a LOT easier to keep the rest of the country together without 'em.

Speaking as an American history buff:
--Umm... you know you've got Federal installations all over the place, right? Please tell me it'll wait until there's an agreed-upon plan (with financial details worked out in advance) to make sure a Fort Sumter doesn't happen. That's the real problem, especially with your peculiarly large, active, and diverse militancy scene. Don't think that centrists like ret. Marine GEN Mattis will hesitate to replicate Sherman's March to the Sea. And that would suck for me, because I knew guys from there in the Army, good guys, and, oh, my Aunt lives out there! One of my EFL teacher buddies is from Oregon, another lives in Seattle, and unless y'all make sure that NOTHING pops off (like, say, at a Federal Courthouse in Portland), I fear for their lives. Also, wouldn't it suck if my boss' daughter-in-law in the National Guard ended up having to shoot my Seattl-ite buddy's kid?! Or vice-versa? Y'all have GOT to not be anything like Charleston, SC in 1861, and that's everywhere with anything Federal. Since there's a WHOLE lot of Federal stuff out there -- DJ T blames forest management, which I guess is his way of accidentally accepting responsibility, as most of the forestland in the NW states are ultimately his responsibility. But I digress...

As a native Oregonian, I have been watching politics unfold outside of my birth state without Oregon being in the rough. The only other time I remember us being influential was the "Death With Dignity" Act of 1996.
But now with so much time on their hands, you have the Cascadian Movement which is basically the Pacific North West states, California (Maybe), British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories and Alaska which would make us a really large country.
Than you have the idiotic, never gonna happen, State of Jefferson Idea that is absolutely the worst thing Ive ever heard thats failed so badly its extremely embarrassing for the man who invented the idea.
Than you have the movement of people who want Oregon, and just Oregon to leave the Union.
Technically Oregon does have a choice because before they became a state in 1859, they have had a Provisional Government for decades with their own constitution and everything.
"No free white male can claim more than 1 sq mile or more than 640 Acres."
Although Oregon has had its history of racism and even had a KKK member gain popularity in the government.
So, whats your thoughts?
Should Oregon leave? Should Cascadia become a thing?

[Nilokeras]

Speaking as a BC'er at one point it might have been a good idea but it's really not now. Stapling ourselves to the least bad part of a failed state is still stapling ourselves to a failed state.

[San Lumen]

Speaking as a BC'er at one point it might have been a good idea but it's really not now. Stapling ourselves to the least bad part of a failed state is still stapling ourselves to a failed state.

Failed state?

[Risottia]

But now with so much time on their hands, you have the Cascadian Movement which is basically the Pacific North West states, California (Maybe), British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories and Alaska which would make us a really large country.

You Yankees better keep your greedy hands off Her Canadian Majesty's clay.