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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Too Early to Say
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Total votes : 168

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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After the shitshow of 2000 and Bush V Gore mess can you imagine the unrest and civil disobedience if the court throws out millions of ballots? The Supreme Court will lose any and all legitimacy and the great experiment will finally come to an end. I dont think Roberts or Alito would go for someone thing like that.


Tbh it sounds like the court is going to lose all its legitimacy no matter what happens.

How do you figure that?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:48 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbh it sounds like the court is going to lose all its legitimacy no matter what happens.

How do you figure that?


One side is pulling a wildly hypocritical move to get another seat before the election that could potentially go to the court and the other side is openly talking about packing the court. Seems like it's doomed no matter what.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:50 pm

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San Lumen wrote:How do you figure that?


One side is pulling a wildly hypocritical move to get another seat before the election that could potentially go to the court and the other side is openly talking about packing the court. Seems like it's doomed no matter what.


Perhaps Republicans ought to meet their own standard and refuse to hold a vote until after the election. A majority of the populous is not in favor of ramming someone through even a majority of Republicans, They will face electoral consequences for that.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:52 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
One side is pulling a wildly hypocritical move to get another seat before the election that could potentially go to the court and the other side is openly talking about packing the court. Seems like it's doomed no matter what.


Perhaps Republicans ought to meet their own standard and refuse to hold a vote until after the election. A majority of the populous is not in favor of ramming someone through [u]even a majority of Republicans,[/u] They will face electoral consequences for that.


Source on the underlined? Cuz every single right leaning community I follow is offering unanimous support for taking the seat ASAP.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
After the shitshow of 2000 and Bush V Gore mess can you imagine the unrest and civil disobedience if the court throws out millions of ballots? The Supreme Court will lose any and all legitimacy and the great experiment will finally come to an end. I dont think Roberts or Alito would go for someone thing like that.


Tbh it sounds like the court is going to lose all its legitimacy no matter what happens.

The "decaying empire" vibes are growing... and there are still a couple months left in this year.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbh it sounds like the court is going to lose all its legitimacy no matter what happens.

The "decaying empire" vibes are growing... and there are still a couple months left in this year.


I wonder how long we have till the child soldiers show up on scene?

Oh wait that already happened in Kenosha.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:54 pm

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Perhaps Republicans ought to meet their own standard and refuse to hold a vote until after the election. A majority of the populous is not in favor of ramming someone through [u]even a majority of Republicans,[/u] They will face electoral consequences for that.


Source on the underlined? Cuz every single right leaning community I follow is offering unanimous support for taking the seat ASAP.

here you go: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN26B0TN

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:56 pm

https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1 ... 77890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,


Yet still supports him nominating a Supreme Court judge that can possibly enable that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Source on the underlined? Cuz every single right leaning community I follow is offering unanimous support for taking the seat ASAP.

here you go: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN26B0TN


Seems more like the Republicans are split perfectly down the middle on the issue.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,


Tell Mitt to be careful. We don't know how far Trump will take things.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:00 pm

Bombadil wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,


Yet still supports him nominating a Supreme Court judge that can possibly enable that.

Yes but I do think a lot of Republicans feel the way Romney does and would never stand for something like that not to mention Roberts and Alito care about the legacy of the court would not invalidate millions of ballots. I dont think anyone on the court would go something like that honestly.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,

And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:09 pm

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... -name-next

another poll this time from CNN shows 59 percent think the person elected in November should name the next Justice.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:14 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... pping-away

Reasons I'm not thrilled about Biden.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 pm

Bombadil wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,


Yet still supports him nominating a Supreme Court judge that can possibly enable that.


If one of those has to give, I think it will be the confirmation vote. Bear in mind that Romney has expressed support for holding the vote "this year" ... but not that he will vote Yea.

My earlier take was that holding the confirmation hearings before the election but holding off the actual confirmation until afterwards, would be the smartest way. Holding the seat open to encourage Republican turnout.

But McConnell's evident eagerness to have the vote asap makes me consider that maybe he can't guarantee the majority after the election. Some of his Senators will have a new 6 year mandate, making them braver, and some might even be holding seats they have lost, making them not just brave but bitter towards the party. True lame ducks (Senators serving out the last months of their last term) have nothing to lose going against leadership.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,

And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


Imo, opposing the vote at all would not be the best way for Romney to inspire other Nay votes. He needs to show more fighting spirit than that, and get a few Maybes on board, before there's any point in going against the party with a Nay vote of his own.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:35 pm

https://pjmedia.com/election/stephen-kr ... er-n951942

She’s not going to be victorious but I have to hand it to Kim Klacik in Maryland’s 7th district. She’s making a concerned effort to win as a republican in Baltimore.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:38 pm

Liriena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,

And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


He's the only one who voted to impeach. I know his SCOTUS signaling stings, but he's a conservative and he was going to vote for a pro-life justice. Not saying Romney is the real deal, just saying, I don't hate him versus the rest of the bunch.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:42 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Liriena wrote:And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


He's the only one who voted to impeach. I know his SCOTUS signaling stings, but he's a conservative and he was going to vote for a pro-life justice. Not saying Romney is the real deal, just saying, I don't hate him versus the rest of the bunch.

He’s one of the few republicans I still have any respect for.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1308932877229477890?s=20

Rommey calls Trumps comments about their being no transfer of power unthinkable and unacceptable,

And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


What I don't get is how any true believer in democracy can endorse the GOP at this point? I mean, Trump will do what Trump does, but for almost every one of the GOP seats to sit silent and idle in the face of a blatant call to disregard democracy is inexcusable. They're showing the country right now that the party doesn't care about democracy so long as they are reaping benefits from its demise. And I have a feeling I already know the answer to my question. It's that the number of Americans that still believe in democracy is at an all time low. And the majority thought now is "My side in power by any means" and that is truly terrifying for a country that's already displaying disturbing parallels with Germany circa 1920.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:48 pm

The idea that the Supreme Court had "legitimacy" at any point in its lifespan is rather silly.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:48 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Liriena wrote:And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


What I don't get is how any true believer in democracy can endorse the GOP at this point? I mean, Trump will do what Trump does, but for almost every one of the GOP seats to sit silent and idle in the face of a blatant call to disregard democracy is inexcusable. They're showing the country right now that the party doesn't care about democracy so long as they are reaping benefits from its demise. And I have a feeling I already know the answer to my question. It's that the number of Americans that still believe in democracy is at an all time low. And the majority thought now is "My side in power by any means" and that is truly terrifying for a country that's already displaying disturbing parallels with Germany circa 1920.

The Republican Party is by and large a cult at this point. His followers will believe anything Trump says.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:50 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Liriena wrote:And what is he going to do about it?

It's nice to have principled conservatives, as opposed to deranged power-tripping fascists and cringelords, but it'd be nice if principled conservatives (and principled liberals) could do more than virtue signal.


What I don't get is how any true believer in democracy can endorse the GOP at this point? I mean, Trump will do what Trump does, but for almost every one of the GOP seats to sit silent and idle in the face of a blatant call to disregard democracy is inexcusable. They're showing the country right now that the party doesn't care about democracy so long as they are reaping benefits from its demise. And I have a feeling I already know the answer to my question. It's that the number of Americans that still believe in democracy is at an all time low. And the majority thought now is "My side in power by any means" and that is truly terrifying for a country that's already displaying disturbing parallels with Germany circa 1920.


I mean when..

As many as 77 congressional candidates and at least two dozen candidates for state legislatures across the country have been linked to QAnon, which emerged in late 2017. It posits that an anonymous, high-level government official known only as “Q” is regularly leaking information about a satanic “Deep State” linked to pedophilia. Followers believe that nearly four years after President’s Trump election, the U.S. government is in the thrall of a cabal that controls world power and that Trump is still engaged in a secret war against them.

..you have to wonder as to the state of the electorate and bitter divide here but that's understandable when..

“I heard that these are people that love our country,” Trump said in his first public comments on QAnon last month.

It all makes the Tea Party look reasonable in comparison, that's the Overton Window we've shifted to.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:51 pm

Honestly if Trump hadn't won the election America would likely have been destroyed by now anyway

Good thing about Biden is that he wants us to return to Obama-era America, which means destruction will only be 5 years away at most
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