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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
27
16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
26%
 
Total votes : 168

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:41 pm

https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/elec ... c3dc4.html

New poll from Franklin and Marshall has Biden up six in Pennsylvania.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

And what if he’s not? What happens then? If polls stay as they are it’s highly possible Biden is ahead.


About the only way grand cheating can be avoided is if Biden wins hugely. Like Texas hugely, a 400 elector win. Then there's no point disputing individual states.

As to the Supreme Court though, I think it won't be done by election day. What exactly happens if the court splits 4/4 on who won the tipping point state I can't even imagine.

Republicans will get that seat on the Supreme Court this year. But I think it will be in the lame-duck period. Raising another possibility: they might hold back on appealing the election result until they have the court.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:42 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And what if he’s not? What happens then? If polls stay as they are it’s highly possible Biden is ahead.


About the only way grand cheating can be avoided is if Biden wins hugely. Like Texas hugely, a 400 elector win. Then there's no point disputing individual states.

As to the Supreme Court though, I think it won't be done by election day. What exactly happens if the court splits 4/4 on who won the tipping point state I can't even imagine.

Republicans will get that seat on the Supreme Court this year. But I think it will be in the lame-duck period. Raising another possibility: they might hold back on appealing the election result until they have the court.


Why would you think they're gonna wait to make the nomination? McConnell has confirmed they're holding the vote ASAP after Trump makes the nomination, which he's going to do Saturday.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:50 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:
Hooray.


Count your blessings you don't live in HK where they used the pandemic to delay the election for a year rather than face crushing defeat, while unironically organising mass testing the week after.. so clearly having people stand in line for something is feasible..

We should protest..

Ah shit..


I feel truly awful for you lot too, but I admire the tenacity.

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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
About the only way grand cheating can be avoided is if Biden wins hugely. Like Texas hugely, a 400 elector win. Then there's no point disputing individual states.

As to the Supreme Court though, I think it won't be done by election day. What exactly happens if the court splits 4/4 on who won the tipping point state I can't even imagine.

Republicans will get that seat on the Supreme Court this year. But I think it will be in the lame-duck period. Raising another possibility: they might hold back on appealing the election result until they have the court.


Why would you think they're gonna wait to make the nomination? McConnell has confirmed they're holding the vote ASAP after Trump makes the nomination, which he's going to do Saturday.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Why would you think they're gonna wait to make the nomination? McConnell has confirmed they're holding the vote ASAP after Trump makes the nomination, which he's going to do Saturday.

Good, a conservative supreme court is important to stopping the far left

What far left?
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:51 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:IDK people were accusing me of hacking into other nations or something


Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

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I'd just leave it there if I were you.

I don’t know a thing about computer science, it would be impossible for me to hack into Aureumterra lol
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:51 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

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I'd just leave it there if I were you.

I don’t know a thing about computer science, it would be impossible for me to hack into Aureumterra lol


I don't think they're accusing you of hacking, man.

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Postby The Exarchate of the West » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:57 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Good, a conservative supreme court is important to stopping the far left


Conservatism these days largely means the "conservative movement" set up by CIA man Bill Buckley. I'd say buyer beware. A paleocon like Pat Buchanan is a relic from a from the bygone era of the Old Right.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:58 pm

538.com have done a lengthy article on what and how happens where Trump simply doesn't leave.. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ont-leave/
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:00 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:
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Compared to the party of:

•Mexico isn't sending its best people.
•Joe Biden is gonna move Africans into Minnesota and thats a bad thing
•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11 and we'll repeat that filthy and disgraceful lie without proof forever
•*teargas sounds and yelling in Lafayette Square*

Yeah, actually.

The republicans have gone that far right.

How do you define "right?"

If your party identifies with the label of "conservative" and goes out of its way to demonize "the left", that's about as "right" as you get.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:02 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:IDK people were accusing me of hacking into other nations or something


Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

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I'd just leave it there if I were you.

A one-man conservative astroturfing effort.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:06 pm

Bombadil wrote:538.com have done a lengthy article on what and how happens where Trump simply doesn't leave.. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ont-leave/

The #1 conclusion I've drawn from reading this so far is that the electoral college is a disgusting, convoluted liability.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bombadil wrote:538.com have done a lengthy article on what and how happens where Trump simply doesn't leave.. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ont-leave/

The #1 conclusion I've drawn from reading this so far is that the electoral college is a disgusting, convoluted liability.


Basically, there's simply no guarantee that electors voted for are the electors who end up in the electoral college - a Republican controlled state senate can simply put forward a different set.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:17 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Liriena wrote:The #1 conclusion I've drawn from reading this so far is that the electoral college is a disgusting, convoluted liability.


Basically, there's simply no guarantee that electors voted for are the electors who end up in the electoral college - a Republican controlled state senate can simply put forward a different set.

But you can't elect presidents through popular vote, of course. That would be mob rule and that's somehow worse than whatever the hell this is.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Basically, there's simply no guarantee that electors voted for are the electors who end up in the electoral college - a Republican controlled state senate can simply put forward a different set.

But you can't elect presidents through popular vote, of course. That would be mob rule and that's somehow worse than whatever the hell this is.


THE MOB is unironically my new favorite term to come out of 2020, it's so patently ridiculous and stupid, I love it.

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Postby Aureumterra III » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

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I'd just leave it there if I were you.

A one-man conservative astroturfing effort.

Since I’m not a mod, I do not know the methods they use to figure out puppet nations, but for the last time, I am not K&K, and I suspect whatever it is that’s bringing that up has to do with shared nations. Since the final verdict has pretty much been made on this "case," I guess there’s no point in dragging it on

Back on the topic, quite a few Republicans supporters have threatened to not vote if the Senate doesn’t get through a nominee, so I’ve heard
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:24 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Liriena wrote:But you can't elect presidents through popular vote, of course. That would be mob rule and that's somehow worse than whatever the hell this is.


THE MOB is unironically my new favorite term to come out of 2020, it's so patently ridiculous and stupid, I love it.


Whenever someone mentions "the mob," i just remember this scene right here: https://youtu.be/SkKdfh8Int4
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:29 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Back on the topic, quite a few Republicans supporters have threatened to not vote if the Senate doesn’t get through a nominee, so I’ve heard


That moment your voters don't trust you to do the viciously partisan, cynical thing ... did Mitch get photographed playing with a puppy or something?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Back on the topic, quite a few Republicans supporters have threatened to not vote if the Senate doesn’t get through a nominee, so I’ve heard


That moment your voters don't trust you to do the viciously partisan, cynical thing ... did Mitch get photographed playing with a puppy or something?

At the very least it proves that Republican politicians do represent their voters: power hungry, morally bankrupt, etc.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:33 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
THE MOB is unironically my new favorite term to come out of 2020, it's so patently ridiculous and stupid, I love it.


Whenever someone mentions "the mob," i just remember this scene right here: https://youtu.be/SkKdfh8Int4


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
That moment your voters don't trust you to do the viciously partisan, cynical thing ... did Mitch get photographed playing with a puppy or something?

At the very least it proves that Republican politicians do represent their voters: power hungry, morally bankrupt, etc.


Why do they even fly the flag anymore? People like Mitch McConnell and of course the president are more than willing to harm the United States if it accomplishes their selfish goals.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:34 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Liriena wrote:At the very least it proves that Republican politicians do represent their voters: power hungry, morally bankrupt, etc.


Why do they even fly the flag anymore? People like Mitch McConnell and of course the president are more than willing to harm the United States if it accomplishes their selfish goals.

Because nationalism sells and nationalism doesn't need to be sincere. In fact, it usually isn't.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:43 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And what if he’s not? What happens then? If polls stay as they are it’s highly possible Biden is ahead.


About the only way grand cheating can be avoided is if Biden wins hugely. Like Texas hugely, a 400 elector win. Then there's no point disputing individual states.

As to the Supreme Court though, I think it won't be done by election day. What exactly happens if the court splits 4/4 on who won the tipping point state I can't even imagine.

Republicans will get that seat on the Supreme Court this year. But I think it will be in the lame-duck period. Raising another possibility: they might hold back on appealing the election result until they have the court.


After the shitshow of 2000 and Bush V Gore mess can you imagine the unrest and civil disobedience if the court throws out millions of ballots? The Supreme Court will lose any and all legitimacy and the great experiment will finally come to an end. I dont think Roberts or Alito would go for someone thing like that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
About the only way grand cheating can be avoided is if Biden wins hugely. Like Texas hugely, a 400 elector win. Then there's no point disputing individual states.

As to the Supreme Court though, I think it won't be done by election day. What exactly happens if the court splits 4/4 on who won the tipping point state I can't even imagine.

Republicans will get that seat on the Supreme Court this year. But I think it will be in the lame-duck period. Raising another possibility: they might hold back on appealing the election result until they have the court.


After the shitshow of 2000 and Bush V Gore mess can you imagine the unrest and civil disobedience if the court throws out millions of ballots? The Supreme Court will lose any and all legitimacy and the great experiment will finally come to an end. I dont think Roberts or Alito would go for someone thing like that.


Tbh it sounds like the court is going to lose all its legitimacy no matter what happens.
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