2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Major-Tom]

It’s just dishonest to say Biden is a socialist. As much as I hate authoritarian socialism, Biden just isn’t one, and neither is Sanders although he is undoubtedly further left of Biden and most of the Democratic Party

Props to you for consistency.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Hacker?

IDK people were accusing me of hacking into other nations or something

Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

"Kexholm and Karelia" and "Aureumterra" were both your nations. Don't lie to us, and don't waste our time. Both accounts were correctly deleted for posting past ban. --Sedgistan, Senior Issues Moderator

I'd just leave it there if I were you.

[Major-Tom]

IDK people were accusing me of hacking into other nations or something

Your nation was deleted for posting past ban.

Personally I've noticed you're often posting at the same time (in the same threads) as Aureumterra. Would you like me to check for other similarities?

"Kexholm and Karelia" and "Aureumterra" were both your nations. Don't lie to us, and don't waste our time. Both accounts were correctly deleted for posting past ban. --Sedgistan, Senior Issues Moderator

I'd just leave it there if I were you.

YiKes hahahaha

[Ngelmish]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-153100735.html
The Trump campaign is talking with various state Republicans to overturn the votes in their states and appoint electors "loyal" to Trump to help him get another term as President.

Republicans put up a slate of Electors and Democrats do too. If state legislatures appoint the R electors in a state with majority Dem vote they would be (a) throwing away their own jobs, (b) probably losing in court, (c) and dooming the Electoral College.

It might only take one state (eg PA) to flip the election result, and they have until after votes have been counted to decide if they want to try it. As far as I know, it is entirely governed by state law except that each candidate gets to choose their own electors (not that those actually be appointed if they win).

I mean, for all of the (justified) alarm that we're in situation where a delusional narcissist who has so little self esteem that he has to ask someone "I'm the greatest, right?" every thirty seconds or so is actively examining every legal, quasi legal, and criminal path to avoiding acknowledging that he lost, the more I've thought about this, the more I've concluded that, for once, the GOP is actually likely to be helpful. Provided he loses.

There are a lot of safe Republican senators who want to run for president sooner than later, and this isn't going to be a 2000 style irregularity issue. If they engage in actual criminal conspiracy in public to maintain Donald's delusions after an election he pretty obviously lost, Constitution be damned, it's no longer a fringe issue that he spends the next four years spinning a spurious way to remain in office indefinitely. And other would be presidents don't want to risk that.

[Tyrassueb]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-153100735.html
The Trump campaign is talking with various state Republicans to overturn the votes in their states and appoint electors "loyal" to Trump to help him get another term as President.

Republicans put up a slate of Electors and Democrats do too. If state legislatures appoint the R electors in a state with majority Dem vote they would be (a) throwing away their own jobs, (b) probably losing in court, (c) and dooming the Electoral College.

It might only take one state (eg PA) to flip the election result, and they have until after votes have been counted to decide if they want to try it. As far as I know, it is entirely governed by state law except that each candidate gets to choose their own electors (not that those actually be appointed if they win).

The problem would be that Trump is pushing to take the case to the Supreme Court as well. His entire campaign is now running, it seems, on calling any result that is not "Trump wins in landslide" fraud, having the states appoint the electors Trump needs and then asking the Supreme Court to say "all is well". And even if what you say is true, that they would be "throwing away their own jobs" that would not be for at least 2 years with a packed Supreme Court that could very well look the other way on things like gerrymandering and such which would just ensure that despite losing more and more of the popular vote the Republicans would continue to remain in office. This is NOT going to be a good election year for a whole myriad of reasons but the Republican dominated legislatures overturning the will of the people will only throw a billion gallons of high grade fuel and lots of air on an already raging inferno it seems.

[San Lumen]

Republicans put up a slate of Electors and Democrats do too. If state legislatures appoint the R electors in a state with majority Dem vote they would be (a) throwing away their own jobs, (b) probably losing in court, (c) and dooming the Electoral College.

It might only take one state (eg PA) to flip the election result, and they have until after votes have been counted to decide if they want to try it. As far as I know, it is entirely governed by state law except that each candidate gets to choose their own electors (not that those actually be appointed if they win).

I mean, for all of the (justified) alarm that we're in situation where a delusional narcissist who has so little self esteem that he has to ask someone "I'm the greatest, right?" every thirty seconds or so is actively examining every legal, quasi legal, and criminal path to avoiding acknowledging that he lost, the more I've thought about this, the more I've concluded that, for once, the GOP is actually likely to be helpful. Provided he loses.

There are a lot of safe Republican senators who want to run for president sooner than later, and this isn't going to be a 2000 style irregularity issue. If they engage in actual criminal conspiracy in public to maintain Donald's delusions after an election he pretty obviously lost, Constitution be damned, it's no longer a fringe issue that he spends the next four years spinning a spurious way to remain in office indefinitely. And other would be presidents don't want to risk that.

Hence why this ludicrous idea will go nowhere.

[New haven america]

I mean, for all of the (justified) alarm that we're in situation where a delusional narcissist who has so little self esteem that he has to ask someone "I'm the greatest, right?" every thirty seconds or so is actively examining every legal, quasi legal, and criminal path to avoiding acknowledging that he lost, the more I've thought about this, the more I've concluded that, for once, the GOP is actually likely to be helpful. Provided he loses.

There are a lot of safe Republican senators who want to run for president sooner than later, and this isn't going to be a 2000 style irregularity issue. If they engage in actual criminal conspiracy in public to maintain Donald's delusions after an election he pretty obviously lost, Constitution be damned, it's no longer a fringe issue that he spends the next four years spinning a spurious way to remain in office indefinitely. And other would be presidents don't want to risk that.

Hence why this ludicrous idea will go nowhere.

Or it might actually go somewhere and the Reps might take it as a sign that it's actually something worth doing, consequences be damned because who's gonna enforce them?

[The Exarchate of the West]

Expect bedlam akin to what happened in the 2000 election.

[Bombadil]

Hence why this ludicrous idea will go nowhere.

Or it might actually go somewhere and the Reps might take it as a sign that it's actually something worth doing, consequences be damned because who's gonna enforce them?

Yup, the extent to which Republicans have stood by Trump means they're chips all in right now.

[Tyrassueb]

Or it might actually go somewhere and the Reps might take it as a sign that it's actually something worth doing, consequences be damned because who's gonna enforce them?

Yup, the extent to which Republicans have stood by Trump means they're chips all in right now.

Basically this. The last real Republican attempt to stand up to Trump was McCain and since then they've been "all in".

[Ngelmish]

Or it might actually go somewhere and the Reps might take it as a sign that it's actually something worth doing, consequences be damned because who's gonna enforce them?

Yup, the extent to which Republicans have stood by Trump means they're chips all in right now.

Yeah, I think this is a completely fair analysis as well. The thing is, since Donald is incapable of leaving of his own free will, the Tom Cottons and Josh Hawley's of the senate have to have some endgame in mind that doesn't involve being stuck with him occupying the office indefinitely.

... Or perhaps I'm guilty of motivated reasoning here. It seems like one or the other statement has to be true.

[New haven america]

Yup, the extent to which Republicans have stood by Trump means they're chips all in right now.

Yeah, I think this is a completely fair analysis as well. The thing is, since Donald is incapable of leaving of his own free will, the Tom Cottons and Josh Hawley's of the senate have to have some endgame in mind that doesn't involve being stuck with him occupying the office indefinitely.

... Or perhaps I'm guilty of motivated reasoning here. It seems like one or the other statement has to be true.

If Biden does win the election and there isn't any election tampering like what Trump wants, then the Secret Service and Military will have to get him out because he's not their leader anymore and the military in specific hates him and works well with Joe.

[Bombadil]

Yeah, I think this is a completely fair analysis as well. The thing is, since Donald is incapable of leaving of his own free will, the Tom Cottons and Josh Hawley's of the senate have to have some endgame in mind that doesn't involve being stuck with him occupying the office indefinitely.

... Or perhaps I'm guilty of motivated reasoning here. It seems like one or the other statement has to be true.

If Biden does win the election and there isn't any election tampering like what Trump wants, then the Secret Service and Military will have to get him out because he's not their leader anymore and the military in specific hates him and works well with Joe.

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

[Ngelmish]

If Biden does win the election and there isn't any election tampering like what Trump wants, then the Secret Service and Military will have to get him out because he's not their leader anymore and the military in specific hates him and works well with Joe.

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

I mean, there are multiple deadlines after the 3rd before the inauguration, and it looks like Donald's gamble here is blowing past all of them to create the appearance that it's not at all clear who has won and that that therefore means somehow he, as the incumbent, wins the right claim victory by default. And after all, say they both show up to the inauguration claiming to be the winner, Donald has all the institutional levers and resources of the government in his hands. It's not a completely stupid Hail Mary -- but it working does depend on narrow margins, among other things.

My only hesitation in being sure that the Republicans fall in line with him at point is just that, they know he'll deserve his third term at that point, and making themselves complicit in him literally stealing (rather than fluking) an election doesn't seem to leave any off ramp. But I guess maybe we already passed that point awhile ago.

[Major-Tom]

If Biden does win the election and there isn't any election tampering like what Trump wants, then the Secret Service and Military will have to get him out because he's not their leader anymore and the military in specific hates him and works well with Joe.

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

Don't remind me, this election is so fucking demoralizing.

[Geneviev]

Expect bedlam akin to what happened in the 2000 election.

I would expect worse, unless Republicans stand against it.

[Telconi]

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

Don't remind me, this election is so fucking demoralizing.

Aren't they all?

[Picairn]

Aren't they all?

US elections haven't been this chaotic since the heyday of 1968.

[Bombadil]

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

Don't remind me, this election is so fucking demoralizing.

It's going to be tragically ironic that the pandemic, the extent of which he can very much take the blame for, will actually work in his favour by ensuring so many Democrats go with the postal vote.

Cost of election victory?

200, 000 dead people.

[Major-Tom]

Don't remind me, this election is so fucking demoralizing.

It's going to be tragically ironic that the pandemic, the extent of which he can very much take the blame for, will actually work in his favour by ensuring so many Democrats go with the postal vote.

Cost of election victory?

200, 000 dead people.

Hooray.

[Bombadil]

It's going to be tragically ironic that the pandemic, the extent of which he can very much take the blame for, will actually work in his favour by ensuring so many Democrats go with the postal vote.

Cost of election victory?

200, 000 dead people.

Hooray.

Count your blessings you don't live in HK where they used the pandemic to delay the election for a year rather than face crushing defeat, while unironically organising mass testing the week after.. so clearly having people stand in line for something is feasible..

We should protest..

Ah shit..

[The Exarchate of the West]

Expect bedlam akin to what happened in the 2000 election.

I would expect worse, unless Republicans stand against it.

I don't see them doing so.

[San Lumen]

If Biden does win the election and there isn't any election tampering like what Trump wants, then the Secret Service and Military will have to get him out because he's not their leader anymore and the military in specific hates him and works well with Joe.

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

And what if he’s not? What happens then? If polls stay as they are it’s highly possible Biden is ahead.

[Geneviev]

I would expect worse, unless Republicans stand against it.

I don't see them doing so.

We haven't gotten to the election yet. They still have a chance.

[Bombadil]

The issue is postal votes come in post-election, and they're majority Democrat - so end of day November 4th Trump will likely be ahead, and he'll claim victory and try everything possible to delegitimise any votes counted after the 4th.. and frankly I've become too used to Trump getting away with everything to feel confident he won't find a way, with full Republican support, to stay.

Hence why nominating an SC judge is so important to them given Trump has said this will go to the SC.

And what if he’s not? What happens then? If polls stay as they are it’s highly possible Biden is ahead.

Well.. hopefully.. but who knows with this guy, like I say he's gotten away with so much I just expect him to pull it off somehow, this is a guy on record saying he just grabs women by the pussy and still gets to be president of the religious right. This is a party who said in '16 that the precedent of not nominating an SC in election year was now set, and conducted a straight volte face this year..

They've won the popular vote once in the past 30 years yet half the presidencies..