2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?

Why are you like this?

Racism in all likelihood.

[Farnhamia]

We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?

*** 2 week ban for trolling ***

You really don't get it, do you? You cannot post whatever nasty thought pops into your head, you really can't. I'd refer you to the rules but your history says that's pointless.

[Aureumterra III]

To the rest of the world. But if you compare them to the GOP, they seem left.

Compared to the party of:

•Mexico isn't sending its best people.
•Joe Biden is gonna move Africans into Minnesota and thats a bad thing
•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11 and we'll repeat that filthy and disgraceful lie without proof forever
•*teargas sounds and yelling in Lafayette Square*

Yeah, actually.

The republicans have gone that far right.

How do you define "right?"

[Aureumterra III]

Why are you like this?

Racism in all likelihood.

I don’t think Diopolis is a racist

[Thermodolia]

No that’s not socialism

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

This is a dumb take even for you.

God I hate the American education system

[Thermodolia]

Racism in all likelihood.

I don’t think Diopolis is a racist

No he is. He’s admitted to being a racist to several people.

[Aureumterra III]

No that’s not socialism

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

You’re the one who says the Icelandic Independence Party is progressive…

[New haven america]

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

This is a dumb take even for you.

God I hate the American education system

Then by all means, tell me why.

Or were you unaware of the fact that most of those ideas started popping up or sewing their seeds around the time of socialism's rising popularity during the Industrial Revolution, including but not limited to: UHC, public housing, welfare, food banks/stamps (Or work provided meals instead of grocery trips), etc...?

Therm, do you really want a repeat of me schooling you akin to the time you spent a month going on about how free market economics was never a left-wing idea until proven hilariously wrong? I can do that if that's what you really want.

[New haven america]

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

You’re the one who says the Icelandic Independence Party is progressive…

And you're a Trump supporter in a country that doesn't have to deal with him.

Also, by American standards, yes, they are center/moderate left wing. We've been over this but apparently you can't understand that fact...

[Thermodolia]

This is a dumb take even for you.

God I hate the American education system

Then by all means, tell me why.

Socialism is an economic system not welfare.

Or were you unaware of the fact that most of those ideas started popping up or sewing their seeds around the time of socialism's rising popularity during the industrial revolution, including but not limited to: UHC, public housing, welfare, food banks/stamps (Or work provided meals instead of grocery trips), etc...

Correlation doesn't equal Causation.

A lot of those things came about as a means to prevent socialism from happening. If the people where happy with better pay, living conditions, and the like then they are far less likely to revolt and overthrow the government

Therm, do you really want a repeat of me schooling you akin to the time you spent a month going on about how free market economics was never a left-wing idea. I can do that.

You didn’t school me or anyone else. You struted around like pigeon and declared you won after everyone else called you out on your bullshit.

[New haven america]

Then by all means, tell me why.

1. Socialism is an economic system not welfare.

Or were you unaware of the fact that most of those ideas started popping up or sewing their seeds around the time of socialism's rising popularity during the industrial revolution, including but not limited to: UHC, public housing, welfare, food banks/stamps (Or work provided meals instead of grocery trips), etc...

Correlation doesn't equal Causation.

2. A lot of those things came about as a means to prevent socialism from happening. If the people where happy with better pay, living conditions, and the like then they are far less likely to revolt and overthrow the government

Therm, do you really want a repeat of me schooling you akin to the time you spent a month going on about how free market economics was never a left-wing idea. I can do that.

3. You didn’t school me or anyone else. You struted around like pigeon and declared you won after everyone else called you out on your bullshit.

1. Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy which deals with varying issues ranging from social and political rights, responsibilities, and ownership. This can deal with many different topics such as social ownership, workers rights, business enterprises or co-ops, the role of government in the economy and worker's lives, etc... Due to it's wide range of beliefs and issues it deals with, there no one definitive type or definition, and as such can take on various forms and policies.

Also, socialism=/= socialist policies and vice versa.

2. No, those things came out because of socialism. Because guess what? Socialism actually went though a period where it was quite popular. And again, there's no one definition or type of socialism so you claiming what is and isn't is futile at best. It's almost like the world is full of nuance or something? Or that you can use ideas of multiple ideologies at that same time!? Madness I say!
3. Yeah, sure, that's totally how it happened. (I'm quaking in my boots over the typos you might find)

Yes, American schools are falling behind and do need education and economic reform, just not for me it seems.

[Kexholm Karelia]

No that’s not socialism

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

Excuse me for being wary of socialism after… you know what I’m going to say as I repeat it again and again whenever its brought up, my grandfather literally had to hide from the communists in China every day because, his own words, "They killed people for fun"

[New haven america]

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

Excuse me for being wary of socialism after… you know what I’m going to say as I repeat it again and again whenever its brought up, my grandfather literally had to hide from the communists in China every day because, his own words, "They killed people for fun"

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Excuse me for being wary of socialism after… you know what I’m going to say as I repeat it again and again whenever its brought up, my grandfather literally had to hide from the communists in China every day because, his own words, "They killed people for fun"

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

I am talking about China

Also lol I’m not a hacker

[Rusozak]

Excuse me for being wary of socialism after… you know what I’m going to say as I repeat it again and again whenever its brought up, my grandfather literally had to hide from the communists in China every day because, his own words, "They killed people for fun"

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

The horror.

[New haven america]

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

I am talking about China

Also lol I’m not a hacker

I for one want nothing more than to see America not fall and turn into the (As Liri put it best) post apocalyptic wasteland of, Scandinavia.

[Necroghastia]

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.

Excuse me for being wary of socialism after… you know what I’m going to say as I repeat it again and again whenever its brought up, my grandfather literally had to hide from the communists in China every day because, his own words, "They killed people for fun"

Still pretending the CCP even *wants* to live up to the name? Cringe.

[Tyrassueb]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-153100735.html
The Trump campaign is talking with various state Republicans to overturn the votes in their states and appoint electors "loyal" to Trump to help him get another term as President.

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign said it is "fighting for a free and fair election."

[New haven america]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-153100735.html
The Trump campaign is talking with various state Republicans to overturn the votes in their states and appoint electors "loyal" to Trump to help him get another term as President.

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign said it is "fighting for a free and fair election."

Yes, I just posted that.

Then people said that state governments and Mitch McConnell were against it, but since when do a lot of the Reps in government actually keep their word?

[Major-Tom]

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

I am talking about China

Also lol I’m not a hacker

None of us here support China, get that through your head. We just want affordable healthcare, dammit.

[No State Here]

It’s just dishonest to say Biden is a socialist. As much as I hate authoritarian socialism, Biden just isn’t one, and neither is Sanders although he is undoubtedly further left of Biden and most of the Democratic Party

[No State Here]

Yes Aure, because we all know that Western and Central Europe are truly suffering under the authoritarian rule of... Universal Healthcare and well funded comprehensive social safety nets.

I am talking about China

Also lol I’m not a hacker

Hacker?

[Kexholm Karelia]

I am talking about China

Also lol I’m not a hacker

Hacker?

IDK people were accusing me of hacking into other nations or something

[No State Here]

Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

You are describing social democracy, Lumen. There is a distinction, and an important one at that

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-153100735.html
The Trump campaign is talking with various state Republicans to overturn the votes in their states and appoint electors "loyal" to Trump to help him get another term as President.

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign said it is "fighting for a free and fair election."

Republicans put up a slate of Electors and Democrats do too. If state legislatures appoint the R electors in a state with majority Dem vote they would be (a) throwing away their own jobs, (b) probably losing in court, (c) and dooming the Electoral College.

It might only take one state (eg PA) to flip the election result, and they have until after votes have been counted to decide if they want to try it. As far as I know, it is entirely governed by state law except that each candidate gets to choose their own electors (not that those actually be appointed if they win).