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New haven america wrote:

Tokora wrote:And does anyone have a plan to fight back if he does?

Nope, so it'll probably just happen and life will continue on as always, until the Reps start curtailing freedom of speech, religion, protests, 4th amendment, etc...

My guy the 4th amendment has been continually getting assaulted from all sides longer than you or I have been alive.

The Rich Port wrote:

Geneviev wrote:They won't be allowed to do that. Even McConnell wouldn't allow Trump to steal the election.

Mitch McConnell, steward of democracy...?

Yeah, democracy is fucking doomed.

He's done well on the issue before. He can do it again.

San Lumen wrote:

Shrillland wrote:
Dumb? Allowing for ballots to come in for two weeks after the election to give the undecideds a chance to decide is dumb?

How can you decide after the election?

You didn’t but the mail is slow.

Here it’s five days after the election

Liriena wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
Mitch McConnell, steward of democracy...?

Yeah, democracy is fucking doomed.

Yep. McConnell has spent decades telling y'all to your faces that he cares more about gaining and maintaining power than about preserving any republican or democratic norms. Why would this be any different?

Look at Kentucky governor election last year.

San Lumen wrote:

Diopolis wrote:Umm... Pennsylvania's deadline for receiving mail in ballots is two weeks after the election day.

Who thought of that? That's dumb. Its like here in New York where absentee ballots can;'t be counted for two weeks. Who thinks of this stuff?

In order to be counted, ballots have to be postmarked by election day(ballots with illegible postmarks usually have earlier deadlines). They have to be received by a deadline usually set after the election.

Kannap wrote:

Geneviev wrote:Compared to Republicans?

Which says more about Republicans, to be fair, but the Democrats seem far left compared to that.

From my perspective, Democrats are conservative, just for reference.

To the rest of the world. But if you compare them to the GOP, they seem left.

Liriena wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:...meaning that by association, the entire movement is inherently Marxist?

Fascists always provide the finest political analysis.

Who are you talking about?

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
How can you decide after the election?

You didn’t but the mail is slow.

Here it’s five days after the election

That's reasonable. I have doubts McConnell said what he did. Could you provide a source.

Meanwhile, Missouri Governor Mike Parson is Covid positive: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/gov-parsons-wife-tests-positive-coronavirus/63-0950e80f-1c7a-4e26-9e32-1163a37c1fa3

He's suspending his campaign for the next month.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:I think we dodged a bullet there. If it was Sanders it would be far more left wing democratic platform

More like we ran into the bullet.

Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Geneviev wrote:

Kannap wrote:
From my perspective, Democrats are conservative, just for reference.

To the rest of the world. But if you compare them to the GOP, they seem left.

Which is why I vote for the GOP

Kexholm Karelia wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:More like we ran into the bullet.

Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

I don't know, we already have economic collapse.

Kexholm Karelia wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:More like we ran into the bullet.

Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

San Lumen wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

That’s… not socialism… at all

San Lumen wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

Clearly neither do you, that's not socialism.

Geneviev wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Four years from now, there won't be an America, and there sure as hell won't be anyone better. Soon enough, we'll be picking the oligarch that has a slightly smaller list of crimes, or barring that, the one with the most money to throw away. I don't care about "being better than the other guy", I care about having people in power who won't fuck the common man. At this point, there's no way to vote that into existence.

Biden, at least, would let us elect someone better. We need patience, and then we will save democracy.

No. No he would not. The eventual end of voting for the lesser of two evils is that you're stuck in a downward spiral. Also, there is no time to wait. "Patience" won't save us. Decisive action will. Biden will only lead us further into "corporate hellscape".

San Lumen wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

No, actually, it isn't.
so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Welfare is not socialism, and I'm tired of pretending that it is.

Aureumterra III wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

That’s… not socialism… at all

Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.

Dresderstan wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

Clearly neither do you, that's not socialism.

Just a welfare state...though I suppose I'm somewhat socialist since I'm a fan of nationalising public utilities.

Geneviev wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

I don't know, we already have economic collapse.

*looks at the inherent contradictions of capitalism* hmmm.

New haven america wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:That’s… not socialism… at all

Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.

Social democracy and socialism are the same thing now, I guess.

Kexholm Karelia wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:More like we ran into the bullet.

Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism

Ah, yes, the absolute post-apocalyptic wastelands of Scandinavia...

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Geneviev wrote:I don't know, we already have economic collapse.

*looks at the inherent contradictions of capitalism* hmmm.

American right-wingers talking about all the evils of socialism and accidentally describing the current state of capitalism as they do so. You love to see it.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

New haven america wrote:Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.

Social democracy and socialism are the same thing now, I guess.

Right-wingers don't care to make the distinction, so why bother? If anything, embracing the "everything to the left of Thatcher is communism" is good PR fuel for communism, because that category includes a lot of good, overwhelmingly popular shit.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

New haven america wrote:Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.

Social democracy and socialism are the same thing now, I guess.

Which, again to reiterate, is usually all grouped together as hardline communism by right wing fear mongers. Hell, in recent months "Marxist" has just become a catch all term for anyone who opposes the GOP. When these people are talking about communism and socialism, it's usually not actual communism or socialism.

Rusozak wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Social democracy and socialism are the same thing now, I guess.

Which, again to reiterate, is usually all grouped together as hardline communism by right wing fear mongers. Hell, in recent months "Marxist" has just become a catch all term for anyone who opposes the GOP. When these people are talking about communism and socialism, it's usually not actual communism or socialism.

Then shouldn't we do something to avoid legitimizing them?