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2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Too Early to Say
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Total votes : 168

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Postby Nevertopia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:10 pm

just 2 more months and we find out if the US is over.
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Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:10 pm

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The dems keep saying that trumps pick is illegitimate... you can argue its not prudent, but it's 100% Legitimate and constitutional.


So is 13 Justices after one party takes the White House and Senate. Better order those extra chairs for teh Supreme Court chambers today.


You're not wrong but that would definitely not be prudent and would only exacerbate the situation further

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:10 pm

Nevertopia wrote:just 2 more months and we find out if the US is over.

Don’t give me nightmares.

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Kargintina the Third
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:11 pm

Nevertopia wrote:just 2 more months and we find out if the US is over.

Pretty sure that’s happening either way at this point man
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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who'd he vote for in 2016?

Trump. He called on people to vote Democrat in 2018 as well.


comical.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:12 pm

Loben III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Trump. He called on people to vote Democrat in 2018 as well.


comical.

What comical about that?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:12 pm

Nevertopia wrote:just 2 more months and we find out if the US is over.

Scary, isn't it?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:13 pm

Nevertopia wrote:just 2 more months and we find out if the US is over.


Well certainly the U.S. will eventually end. And at the rate it's going, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:13 pm

I'm feeling some post debate doomer vibes.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
Loben III wrote:
shouldve stayed in his lane tbh.


Probably, but famous people seem to think they're otherwise important, and foolish people feed those notions.


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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:
comical.

What comical about that?


what caused his change of heart, i wonder?

i mean, surely he mustve had a grand revelation like most of the upper decaying crust of this society.
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Kargintina the Third
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 pm

In a sick way I’d like to see 269-269 EC and a 50-50 senate for maximum chaos
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:14 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
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That's not how that works, but you already know that.


We didn't until it actually happened. At the time I was extremely dubious that the "advise and consent" power of the Senate extended beyond "consent or refuse" to "refuse to even consider" and I still find that a bit baffling.

[The president] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States . . . . [U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 2, clause 2]


Note that the President does not just nominate but ALSO APPOINT the SC Justices. Obama was denied the opportunity to play his constitutional role, and shouldn't "the Senate" have to give some good reason to do that? And if "the Senate" did give a reason, claiming precedent of other appointments over a span of decades, why does that reason not apply right now?

I imagine your side are overjoyed at Barrett being an avowed literalist. Hope then, that it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass when you realize that other parts of the Constitution can be interpreted literally, besides the Second Amendment.

You might want to think about ...

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, [b]and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
.[/b]

Old fashioned discretion deters me from naming the place to be searched, but if the "person or things to be seized" is a fetus, anti-abortionists might have a problem!

Consent of the senate is the deciding factor here. The senate did not consent to the nomination, therefore Obama could not fill the seat with his nominee. Also, the 4th Amendment has nothing to do with abortion and to argue such is lunacy.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:15 pm

Loben III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What comical about that?


what caused his change of heart, i wonder?

i mean, surely he mustve had a grand revelation like most of the upper decaying crust of this society.

He’s a decent person

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:In a sick way I’d like to see 269-269 EC and a 50-50 senate for maximum chaos

You've jinxed it! Do you realize what you've done?
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:In a sick way I’d like to see 269-269 EC and a 50-50 senate for maximum chaos


I don't think you do, mate haha.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:In a sick way I’d like to see 269-269 EC and a 50-50 senate for maximum chaos

No you really don’t.

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Postby Maroza » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Well I started cringing when trump started interrupting and debating at the moderator. I'd call it a Biden victory. Possibly the biggest mistake he made was channeling his inner palatine and saying "I am the Democratic party." It set him up for the moderator to skewer him with why he hasn't quelled the riots in Portland Oregon by calling the local democratic leaders and demand they get it under control.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Odreria wrote:I'm feeling some post debate doomer vibes.


You're right. I think there is general shock and alarm to discover that both candidates can still stand up for an hour and a half.

I didn't see much sign of mental decay either, to be honest. Trump still has a short attention span, and Biden still trips over his tongue.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:
what caused his change of heart, i wonder?

i mean, surely he mustve had a grand revelation like most of the upper decaying crust of this society.

He’s a decent person


surely a horrid man before 2018, terrible. voted trump.
and thats terrible.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:
what caused his change of heart, i wonder?

i mean, surely he mustve had a grand revelation like most of the upper decaying crust of this society.

He’s a decent person


That's clearly not true, he's shilling for Biden.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:19 pm

Loben III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:He’s a decent person


surely a horrid man before 2018, terrible. voted trump.
and thats terrible.

I think he did. I’m not going to call him a horrible person for being a lifelong Republican.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:
surely a horrid man before 2018, terrible. voted trump.
and thats terrible.

I think he did. I’m not going to call him a horrible person for being a lifelong Republican.


Just don't take the bait, man.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:20 pm

Most polling shows Biden won the debate.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:22 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I think he did. I’m not going to call him a horrible person for being a lifelong Republican.


Just don't take the bait, man.


oh him being damn near appalled at me voting republican is A OK.
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