2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Northern Davincia]

Thank god Ron Paul is fine. He can continue being a living reminder of what America could have been

Decrepit, malnourished and barking mad?

(I'm glad he's fine too. But his politics were terrible and I will never forgive that.)

His politics were the best of any man to have served in Washington in decades. His America would have been a more honest one.

[Aclion]

also if he were elected we would have had and actual doctor up top during covid

[The Black Forrest]

What is Hughes?

The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. It bans the registration of new machine guns under the National Firearms Act but both the manner of how it was passed and the amendment itself are extremely questionable legally and it very likely conflicts with prior SCOTUS precedent on the topic. Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano set a solid groundwork to strike it down.

Civilians owning machine guns? Bad idea.

[Northern Davincia]

also if he were elected we would have had and actual doctor up top during covid

He would not have been president during this crisis.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Decrepit, malnourished and barking mad?

(I'm glad he's fine too. But his politics were terrible and I will never forgive that.)

His politics were the best of any man to have served in Washington in decades. His America would have been a more honest one.

Full on for Freedom and minimal government. Except when it comes to Abortion where he was full on the other way.

I guess you're like that too, and it doesn't seem at all hypocritical.

[San Lumen]

https://www.hrc.org/parts/HRC-Poll-917-202020.pdf
The pollster is Hart Research done on behalf of the Human rights campaign.
A bunch of new polls from battleground states

AZ: 53% Biden, 42% Trump (B+11)

FL: 51% Biden, 45% Trump (B+6)

MI: 50% Biden, 45% Trump (B+5)

PA: 53% Biden, 42% Trump (B+11)

WI: 51% Biden, 44% Trump (B+7)

What do you read into it, that Biden is so strong in PA, but not MI or WI ?

[duh, answer my own question: undecideds]

I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch but Trump consistently has been in the low forties and Biden above 50. That is a very good sign.

[Celritannia]

What do you read into it, that Biden is so strong in PA, but not MI or WI ?

[duh, answer my own question: undecideds]

I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch but Trump consistently has been in the low forties and Biden above 50. That is a very good sign.

I'm still curious on Texas. IT does seem to be more Trump leaning, by a thin majority, but it could easily sway before the election.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. It bans the registration of new machine guns under the National Firearms Act but both the manner of how it was passed and the amendment itself are extremely questionable legally and it very likely conflicts with prior SCOTUS precedent on the topic. Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano set a solid groundwork to strike it down.

Civilians owning machine guns? Bad idea.

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

[The Black Forrest]

Civilians owning machine guns? Bad idea.

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

That would make sense if they were readily available. Last I checked?....they were not.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

That would make sense if they were readily available. Last I checked?....they were not.

Before Hughes they were.

The amendment also hasn't stopped them from being made. Purely anecdotal but I hope my history and insight makes this anecdote a bit more believable but from talks I've had with ATF IOI's in the past they estimate well over a million unregistered machine guns exist, with the number spiking heavily in recent years because technology like 3D printing is making it easier to produce them. All repealing Hughes would do is get those guns out of the shadows and let them actually be normally owned.

[San Lumen]

I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch but Trump consistently has been in the low forties and Biden above 50. That is a very good sign.

I'm still curious on Texas. IT does seem to be more Trump leaning, by a thin majority, but it could easily sway before the election.

It could but I think Trump wins it narrowly. It’s not quite ready to go flip. If Biden wins it Trump is done and so is the Republican Party. There is no path to 270 without it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What do you read into it, that Biden is so strong in PA, but not MI or WI ?

[duh, answer my own question: undecideds]

I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch but Trump consistently has been in the low forties and Biden above 50. That is a very good sign.

Definitely do not count chickens. Though something I learned from school is you can see the chick embryo inside the shell, by holding it up to a bright light.

It's not at all scientific, but I have a hunch that the higher the Undecided number, the softer the B or T vote is ... since Undecideds show that neither campaign is telling voters what they want to hear relevant to their state: that implies that more of the voters expressing a B or T preference aren't really that certain yet.

So I'll rephrase my question for you and others: why are PA voters buying what Biden's selling, so much more than WI and MI voters?

[Aclion]

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

That would make sense if they were readily available. Last I checked?....they were not.

There was about one civilian owned machine gun for every 38 people. As for availability...

[The Black Forrest]

That would make sense if they were readily available. Last I checked?....they were not.

There was about one civilian owned machine gun for every 38 people. As for availability...

Wow 5$ for a sten an extra mag?

Unless that was the UK. Doubt the claim. I have one through my granddad who used it in the war.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Civilians owning machine guns? Bad idea.

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

[The Black Forrest]

That would make sense if they were readily available. Last I checked?....they were not.

Before Hughes they were.

The amendment also hasn't stopped them from being made. Purely anecdotal but I hope my history and insight makes this anecdote a bit more believable but from talks I've had with ATF IOI's in the past they estimate well over a million unregistered machine guns exist, with the number spiking heavily in recent years because technology like 3D printing is making it easier to produce them. All repealing Hughes would do is get those guns out of the shadows and let them actually be normally owned.

Hmmm? Well Just in my neck of the woods. The only one I had ever seen was my granddads old Sten. Many gun nuts in the family and haven’t seen any.....

[Northern Davincia]

His politics were the best of any man to have served in Washington in decades. His America would have been a more honest one.

Full on for Freedom and minimal government. Except when it comes to Abortion where he was full on the other way.

I guess you're like that too, and it doesn't seem at all hypocritical.

It does not.

I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch but Trump consistently has been in the low forties and Biden above 50. That is a very good sign.

I'm still curious on Texas. IT does seem to be more Trump leaning, by a thin majority, but it could easily sway before the election.

It will not.

[The Black Forrest]

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

Think of it in another way. If the civilians get free access to machine guns; then the police would have to start carrying them.

Makes you wonder how many casualties there would have been in the Brianna Taylor case.....

[Celritannia]

I'm still curious on Texas. IT does seem to be more Trump leaning, by a thin majority, but it could easily sway before the election.

It will not.

Well, the polling there is still really close.

[The Black Forrest]

Decrepit, malnourished and barking mad?

(I'm glad he's fine too. But his politics were terrible and I will never forgive that.)

His politics were the best of any man to have served in Washington in decades. His America would have been a more honest one.

. suuuurrrreeeeee.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Amusingly enough the ATF disagreed entirely when called up to give their opinion on it.

In fact, crimes with machine guns before the Hughes Amendment were so shockingly rare they didn't even know how many actually happened. Independent research says anywhere from one to three murders were committed with legally owned machine guns over 52 years.

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

Back in the 20's they did yeah, it was one of the things that spurred on the creation of the NFA in '34. But after the creation of the NFA from 1934 to 1986 the number of crimes committed by legally owned MG's plummeted to about as low a percentage as humanely possible. Which in addition to the shady as fuck method in which the Hughes Amendment was passed (it's on C-SPAN video record as failing the recorded vote by a wide margin) makes the whole thing seem rather pointless, and possibly unconstitutional given SCOTUS precedent.

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

Think of it in another way. If the civilians get free access to machine guns; then the police would have to start carrying them.

Makes you wonder how many casualties there would have been in the Brianna Taylor case.....

Cops already do. They and people like me in the industry are specifically exempt from the Amendment.

[The Black Forrest]

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

Back in the 20's they did yeah, it was one of the things that spurred on the creation of the NFA in '34. But after the creation of the NFA from 1934 to 1986 the number of crimes committed by legally owned MG's plummeted to about as low a percentage as humanely possible. Which in addition to the shady as fuck method in which the Hughes Amendment was passed (it's on C-SPAN video record as failing the recorded vote by a wide margin) makes the whole thing seem rather pointless, and possibly unconstitutional given SCOTUS precedent.

Think of it in another way. If the civilians get free access to machine guns; then the police would have to start carrying them.

Makes you wonder how many casualties there would have been in the Brianna Taylor case.....

Cops already do. They and people like me in the industry are specifically exempt from the Amendment.

Hmmm>? What do the cops carry which classifies as a machine gun?

[Northern Davincia]

Mafia had machine guns I thought? So if you're counting "crimes with machine guns" by number of prosecutions for said crimes, you'd be getting an unrealistically low number.

Think of it in another way. If the civilians get free access to machine guns; then the police would have to start carrying them.

Makes you wonder how many casualties there would have been in the Brianna Taylor case.....

I think the police would have less work on their hands once the citizenry take action with machine guns.

His politics were the best of any man to have served in Washington in decades. His America would have been a more honest one.

. suuuurrrreeeeee.

Paul was the biggest opponent to the surveillance state and military-industrial complex.

[Aclion]

There was about one civilian owned machine gun for every 38 people. As for availability...
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Wow 5$ for a sten an extra mag?

Unless that was the UK. Doubt the claim. I have one through my granddad who used it in the war.

Inflation is a bitch. That's 194.13 in today money.

[The Black Forrest]

Think of it in another way. If the civilians get free access to machine guns; then the police would have to start carrying them.

Makes you wonder how many casualties there would have been in the Brianna Taylor case.....

I think the police would have less work on their hands once the citizenry take action with machine guns.

You mean like that woman I saw who took it on herself to “stop” a shop lifter (food) and emptied her gun in a parking lot as he fled in his car? Luckily she didn’t hit anybody. Now if she had a machine gun......