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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

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Postby The Hindustani State » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:43 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:I am not following the American election very closely, but I hope whoever is the anti China candidate wins


That describes neither Biden nor Trump. Trump is a fake anti china warrior that is actually in debt to the chinese and his recent trade deal was still unfairly in China's favor, and Biden is more than open about his willingness to "mend relations" with the evil empire.

America entered in military alliance with my country India and Australia recently (and Japan too). I think there are many anti China people in the US government
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:44 pm

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It's a very low-key race, but with the low margin last election (Joe Wilson won by 6%), plus Biden and Harrison showing strength in SC (decent chance of SC being in the single digits), it could be pulled over the line. Plus the district has a mix of suburbs and a big city (Columbia), and the candidate there (Adair Boroughs) has shown some major fundraising strength.

It's unlikely to flip, but it could be a major sleeper.

Depending on how well Jaime Harrison and Biden do, South Carolina could very well be in the makings of slowly turning blue.

Harrison could win but South Carolina going blue anytime soon seems unlikely. Carter was the last democrat to win it.


It's very much a long-term project, but by 2030/2040 it could very well be a tossup. Suburbs are practically exploding in states like South Carolina and Kansas, plus the GOP has pretty much maxed out their rural margins.

(Kansas also has a growing Hispanic population as well)

Like if I had a chart of states turning blue, way, way, way after states like AZ/TX/GA/NC would be ones like South Carolina and Kansas.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:50 pm

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Harrison could win but South Carolina going blue anytime soon seems unlikely. Carter was the last democrat to win it.


It's very much a long-term project, but by 2030/2040 it could very well be a tossup. Suburbs are practically exploding in states like South Carolina and Kansas, plus the GOP has pretty much maxed out their rural margins.

(Kansas also has a growing Hispanic population as well)

Like if I had a chart of states turning blue, way, way, way after states like AZ/TX/GA/NC would be ones like South Carolina and Kansas.


Its plausible and polls in Kansas have bene surprisingly tight. An upset in the senate race seems possible and maybe for President. Republicans have destroyed that state. The already lost the third district which is Kansas city and a number of its suburbs. Its possible they could lose the 2nd which contains Topeka and Lawrence.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:52 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
That describes neither Biden nor Trump. Trump is a fake anti china warrior that is actually in debt to the chinese and his recent trade deal was still unfairly in China's favor, and Biden is more than open about his willingness to "mend relations" with the evil empire.

America entered in military alliance with my country India and Australia recently (and Japan too). I think there are many anti China people in the US government


Actually it's just trump pandering for votes as "the anti china guy." At day's end America is and has been getting boned by China for decades now.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:54 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
That describes neither Biden nor Trump. Trump is a fake anti china warrior that is actually in debt to the chinese and his recent trade deal was still unfairly in China's favor, and Biden is more than open about his willingness to "mend relations" with the evil empire.

America entered in military alliance with my country India and Australia recently (and Japan too). I think there are many anti China people in the US government

Trump is anti Chinese Communist Party, the ones who have ruined China. Meanwhile Joe Biden says he wants to "mend relations" or whatever
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:58 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:America entered in military alliance with my country India and Australia recently (and Japan too). I think there are many anti China people in the US government

Trump is anti Chinese Communist Party, the ones who have ruined China. Meanwhile Joe Biden says he wants to "mend relations" or whatever


Oh my God if this isn't outside reality. Trump is literally in debt to them, defended the Tiananmen Square massacre, has praised Xi multiple times and praised their death camps.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:00 pm

Honestly, if Trump wins he'll essentially just be golfing all day from then on, his only real focus has been on gaining re-election and dismantling anything Obama did. If the Senate essentially ties he's a lame duck president with nothing to fight for other than his handicap.

He won't care about China or anything else.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:01 pm

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1 ... 65509?s=20

Dave Wasserman has released a list of historically red counties he think Biden has an excellent chance to flip. I didnt look up all of them but some haven't voted Democrat in decades

The list he includes: Maricopa, AZ,. Phoenix is the county seat. If Biden wins this country he wins Arizona. (last Democrat to win it was Truman in 1948)
Butte, CA
Seminole, FL
Ada, ID, Boise is the county seat (LastDemocrat to win it was FDR in 1936!)
Dallas, IA
Johnson, KS ( last Democrat to win was Wilson in 1916!!!!)
Kent, MI
Morris, NJ
New Hanover, NC. Carter was the last democrat to win here in 1976,
Collin, TX. Johnson was the last democrat to win here.
Tarrant, TX. Fort Worth the is the county seat. ( Last Democrat to win it was Johnson in 1964.
Williamson, TX
Chesterfield, VA
Spokane, WA
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:Butte, CA
Seminole, FL


I found this funny!
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:09 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Butte, CA
Seminole, FL


I found this funny!

Why?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:11 pm

Bombadil wrote:Honestly, if Trump wins he'll essentially just be golfing all day from then on, his only real focus has been on gaining re-election and dismantling anything Obama did. If the Senate essentially ties he's a lame duck president with nothing to fight for other than his handicap.

He won't care about China or anything else.


Actually I think Trump's handicap will be a lost cause by now. Have you ever tried golfing when you're tense and angry?

I suspect he'll go absolutely beserk if he loses. Repeal every EO back to Eisenhower, order the tax office to stop collecting any taxes, deport a bunch of people whether they're citizens or not and may (hopefully not) start some stupid war.

Well hopefully you're right not me.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I found this funny!

Why?


"Butte" is an inherently funny name. That's the only hint I'm giving you.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:18 pm

Bombadil wrote:Honestly, if Trump wins he'll essentially just be golfing all day from then on, his only real focus has been on gaining re-election and dismantling anything Obama did. If the Senate essentially ties he's a lame duck president with nothing to fight for other than his handicap.

He won't care about China or anything else.


I mean im worried he'll start doing some Kwame Kilpatrick shit like embezzling government funds or putting yes men in charge of his agencies, leading to disfunction and chaos in the government.

I also worry he'll take the opportunity to go after anyone who doesn't like him, just cause they called him a dumbass.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:20 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why?


"Butte" is an inherently funny name. That's the only hint I'm giving you.

A butte is an isolated hill with steep, often vertical sides and a small, relatively flat top

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:20 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Honestly, if Trump wins he'll essentially just be golfing all day from then on, his only real focus has been on gaining re-election and dismantling anything Obama did. If the Senate essentially ties he's a lame duck president with nothing to fight for other than his handicap.

He won't care about China or anything else.


Actually I think Trump's handicap will be a lost cause by now. Have you ever tried golfing when you're tense and angry?

I suspect he'll go absolutely beserk if he loses. Repeal every EO back to Eisenhower, order the tax office to stop collecting any taxes, deport a bunch of people whether they're citizens or not and may (hopefully not) start some stupid war.

Well hopefully you're right not me.


Trump gets so mad he starts a nuclear war with China cause "Im not leaving shit behind for Biden to run. You all don't want me? Well fuck you! IM GONNA TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR ASS"
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:21 pm

I think one thing I'm gonna be interested in if the suburban and college educated shift continues post this election.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:22 pm

Talvezout wrote:I think one thing I'm gonna be interested in if the suburban and college educated shift continues post this election.

If it does the Republicans are doomed.

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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Talvezout wrote:I think one thing I'm gonna be interested in if the suburban and college educated shift continues post this election.

If it does the Republicans are doomed.


Yeah, if states with heavy suburbs and college educated folks keep trending blue, there's gonna be more states with heavier EC votes becoming dem/tossups (AZ, TX, NC, GA, SC, KS) then states turning Rep/tossups (IA, OH, PA, MI, WI)
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:30 pm

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If it does the Republicans are doomed.


Yeah, if states with heavy suburbs and college educated folks keep trending blue, there's gonna be more states with heavier EC votes becoming dem/tossups (AZ, TX, NC, GA, SC, KS) then states turning Rep/tossups (IA, OH, PA, MI, WI)

Only time will tell.

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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Talvezout wrote:
Yeah, if states with heavy suburbs and college educated folks keep trending blue, there's gonna be more states with heavier EC votes becoming dem/tossups (AZ, TX, NC, GA, SC, KS) then states turning Rep/tossups (IA, OH, PA, MI, WI)

Only time will tell.


Yeah, it's something that remains to be seen.

I remember seeing so many people saying the GOP was done after the 2006/2008 elections and well, look how that turned out.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:42 pm

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Only time will tell.


Yeah, it's something that remains to be seen.

I remember seeing so many people saying the GOP was done after the 2006/2008 elections and well, look how that turned out.

True however the 2010 and 2014 midterms were evidence of the long term shift of rural areas to republicans. 2018 could be the reverse for metro areas. We saw continued evidence of that shift in Virginia In last year and in Louisiana as well as county and municipal elections nationwide.
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Postby Organized States » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:55 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:America entered in military alliance with my country India and Australia recently (and Japan too). I think there are many anti China people in the US government

Trump is anti Chinese Communist Party, the ones who have ruined China. Meanwhile Joe Biden says he wants to "mend relations" or whatever

Yeah, he's not.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:00 pm

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.


He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:02 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.


He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

For once we are in agreement. Hopefully you convinced them to vote blue all the way downballot.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:05 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.


He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.


Fuck em. I want nothing to do with the evil empire and I want all CCP diplomats and soldiers out of my country. If it were up to me, we would recognize Taiwan as the real China and the PRC would be referred to as "communist insurgent occupied land." The CCP must go.
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