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2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
27
16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.


And have a leader who knows what they are talking about and doesn’t come off like a total buffoon.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.


And have a leader who knows what they are talking about and doesn’t come off like a total buffoon.


yes, if anything with these debates it's kind of put to rest the whole 'Sleepy Joe' charge, say what you might about Trump but usually his little nicknames stick, of which the most effective was 'Crooked Hillary', but this one hasn't, and if anything in not doing so it's actually raised Biden in people's eyes as the saner and more lucid candidate.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:28 pm

Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:33 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours, I consider you an anarchist.


Yeah any sensible person supports Biden over Trump cuz this presidency has been a fucking disaster in everything except judicial appointments and certain foreign policy choices.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.


"Do you ever shut up, man?" I think it was. The delivery was perfect, and the sincerity undoubtable!
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:38 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.

As I know and we know you all agree with Biden and his Democrat Talking Points against President Trump. We love President Trump because we strongly agree with President Trump and the Republican on most issues. We don't have any Problems with President Trump and the Republicans.

I really don't care, why do you continually insist on replying to people who post things you disagree with with this same tiresome borderline spammy canned response?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:39 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.

WRA? An anarchist? :eyebrow:
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours, I consider you an anarchist.


Yeah any sensible person supports Biden over Trump cuz this presidency has been a fucking disaster in everything except judicial appointments and certain foreign policy choices.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:40 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:As I know and we know you all agree with Biden and his Democrat Talking Points against President Trump. We love President Trump because we strongly agree with President Trump and the Republican on most issues. We don't have any Problems with President Trump and the Republicans.

I really don't care, why do you continually insist on replying to people who post things you disagree with with this same tiresome borderline spammy canned response?

And what do you guys do too me? nothing?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

He should have quoted the original Spanish, "¿Por qué no te callas?"
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:45 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.


I call WRA a right-winger sometimes. When he's to the right of me on some subject. But he usually denies it ('pro-gun is a left-wing position just as much as right-wing" for instance).

Being Anti-Trump does not make a person a Democrat. They might also be Independent or even a Republican.

You can't stop other Americans from being Republicans you know. Kicking them out for not being loyal to the leader, is not an option.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:59 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.


I call WRA a right-winger sometimes. When he's to the right of me on some subject. But he usually denies it ('pro-gun is a left-wing position just as much as right-wing" for instance).

Being Anti-Trump does not make a person a Democrat. They might also be Independent or even a Republican.

You can't stop other Americans from being Republicans you know. Kicking them out for not being loyal to the leader, is not an option.

Well, it is, just a self-defeating one.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:07 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

He should have quoted the original Spanish, "¿Por qué no te callas?"

Good one Farnhamia, I am having a lol attack, :) :rofl:

I can laugh at myself and President Trump whom I proudly support, because I agree with President Trump and the Republicans on most issues, and their is nothing wrong with it, as I know you know.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:24 pm

And as the world is distracted by Trump's blustering style that draws all attention..

A Supreme Court ruling this week allowed the Trump administration to end the 2020 census two weeks early, risking an undercount of members of the population who are difficult to reach – particularly immigrants, transients, and the poor. From the beginning, the administration has attempted to meddle with what is usually a scrupulously non-partisan process in order to advance its goal of disenfranchising and immiserating parts of the country which do not vote Republican. And following this court ruling, it is on track to get away with it.

Even by Trump’s own standards of naked partisanship and self-dealing, the weaponization of the census has been cynical and alarming. By deliberately attempting to produce an undercount in certain parts of the country, and by trying to seize control of the process whereby the census is used to allocate seats in the House of Representatives and Electoral College, the administration is leaving behind a tainted legacy.

Why does the census even matter? As well as being the basis for distributing political power between and within the states, the data from the census guides the allocation of about $1.5t in federal funding each year. The constitution states that the census has to take place every ten years and be based on an “actual enumeration” of residents, meaning that the Census Bureau is not permitted to use statistical models to make up for an inaccurate count. If the census isn’t accurate, then the country has to live with the consequences until the next one takes place a decade later.


..serious and impactful decisions slip under the radar.

Link

He still has plenty of damage left to do.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:And as the world is distracted by Trump's blustering style that draws all attention..

A Supreme Court ruling this week allowed the Trump administration to end the 2020 census two weeks early, risking an undercount of members of the population who are difficult to reach – particularly immigrants, transients, and the poor. From the beginning, the administration has attempted to meddle with what is usually a scrupulously non-partisan process in order to advance its goal of disenfranchising and immiserating parts of the country which do not vote Republican. And following this court ruling, it is on track to get away with it.

Even by Trump’s own standards of naked partisanship and self-dealing, the weaponization of the census has been cynical and alarming. By deliberately attempting to produce an undercount in certain parts of the country, and by trying to seize control of the process whereby the census is used to allocate seats in the House of Representatives and Electoral College, the administration is leaving behind a tainted legacy.

Why does the census even matter? As well as being the basis for distributing political power between and within the states, the data from the census guides the allocation of about $1.5t in federal funding each year. The constitution states that the census has to take place every ten years and be based on an “actual enumeration” of residents, meaning that the Census Bureau is not permitted to use statistical models to make up for an inaccurate count. If the census isn’t accurate, then the country has to live with the consequences until the next one takes place a decade later.


..serious and impactful decisions slip under the radar.

Link

He still has plenty of damage left to do.


It hasn't slipped under the radar. There's just very little to nothing that can be done to stop it.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:31 pm

Bombadil wrote:And as the world is distracted by Trump's blustering style that draws all attention..

A Supreme Court ruling this week allowed the Trump administration to end the 2020 census two weeks early, risking an undercount of members of the population who are difficult to reach – particularly immigrants, transients, and the poor. From the beginning, the administration has attempted to meddle with what is usually a scrupulously non-partisan process in order to advance its goal of disenfranchising and immiserating parts of the country which do not vote Republican. And following this court ruling, it is on track to get away with it.

Even by Trump’s own standards of naked partisanship and self-dealing, the weaponization of the census has been cynical and alarming. By deliberately attempting to produce an undercount in certain parts of the country, and by trying to seize control of the process whereby the census is used to allocate seats in the House of Representatives and Electoral College, the administration is leaving behind a tainted legacy.

Why does the census even matter? As well as being the basis for distributing political power between and within the states, the data from the census guides the allocation of about $1.5t in federal funding each year. The constitution states that the census has to take place every ten years and be based on an “actual enumeration” of residents, meaning that the Census Bureau is not permitted to use statistical models to make up for an inaccurate count. If the census isn’t accurate, then the country has to live with the consequences until the next one takes place a decade later.


..serious and impactful decisions slip under the radar.

Link

He still has plenty of damage left to do.

How can a constitutionally mandated process be ruled against? Fucking hell....
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:38 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bombadil wrote:And as the world is distracted by Trump's blustering style that draws all attention..

A Supreme Court ruling this week allowed the Trump administration to end the 2020 census two weeks early, risking an undercount of members of the population who are difficult to reach – particularly immigrants, transients, and the poor. From the beginning, the administration has attempted to meddle with what is usually a scrupulously non-partisan process in order to advance its goal of disenfranchising and immiserating parts of the country which do not vote Republican. And following this court ruling, it is on track to get away with it.

Even by Trump’s own standards of naked partisanship and self-dealing, the weaponization of the census has been cynical and alarming. By deliberately attempting to produce an undercount in certain parts of the country, and by trying to seize control of the process whereby the census is used to allocate seats in the House of Representatives and Electoral College, the administration is leaving behind a tainted legacy.

Why does the census even matter? As well as being the basis for distributing political power between and within the states, the data from the census guides the allocation of about $1.5t in federal funding each year. The constitution states that the census has to take place every ten years and be based on an “actual enumeration” of residents, meaning that the Census Bureau is not permitted to use statistical models to make up for an inaccurate count. If the census isn’t accurate, then the country has to live with the consequences until the next one takes place a decade later.


..serious and impactful decisions slip under the radar.

Link

He still has plenty of damage left to do.

How can a constitutionally mandated process be ruled against? Fucking hell....


The Fed must have had a pretty decent argument because it seems like only Sotomayor dissented.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:45 pm

I turned on the TV last night.

Apparently, if Trump doesn’t win this election “China will own all of America.” That’s what he said.

So apparently, I’ll be living in the country (China) that becomes a colonial power over America should Biden win. I didn’t know it. But apparently, in the 21st century it’s possible for first world countries to be colonized immediately based on electoral results.

Apparently Biden winning = China owning. Somehow.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I turned on the TV last night.

Apparently, if Trump doesn’t win this election “China will own all of America.” That’s what he said.

So apparently, I’ll be living in the country (China) that becomes a colonial power over America should Biden win. I didn’t know it. But apparently, in the 21st century it’s possible for first world countries to be colonized immediately based on electoral results.

Apparently Biden winning = China owning. Somehow.

Trump also owes big money to the Bank of China and his daughter Ivanka had dealings in China too.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:14 pm

Kannap wrote:Ah, one step closer to confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Not hearing any good news.

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Postby Blargoblarg » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:18 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:I call WRA a right-winger sometimes. When he's to the right of me on some subject. But he usually denies it ('pro-gun is a left-wing position just as much as right-wing" for instance).

It can definitely be a left-wing position. Karl Marx once said “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Being Anti-Trump does not make a person a Democrat. They might also be Independent or even a Republican.


This is another thing that some people in America don't seem to realize, along with the fact that being anti-Trump doesn't necessarily mean you support Biden. And similarly, that being anti-Biden doesn't mean you support Trump.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:23 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ngl I think the high point of this whole election season and the one I'll remember most is Biden simply saying "Will you shut up man?".

That so perfectly captures this presidency.

You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.

Being right-wing doesn't mean you have to support Trump. Trump's been useful in demolishing the fusion conservative faction and some other stuff but other than that he's been a shit show. The best thing that could happen is postliberal right-wingers coming to dominate the GOP, which could very well happen as even former fusionist conservatives are moving towards that (eg Marco Rubio); but this also means relegating MAGA conservatives to a minority faction.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:25 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:You support Biden over and over again, against President Trump and you call yourself a right winger, or more right wing than me.

Honestly, from the few posts I have seen of yours and your nation name, I consider you an anarchist.

Being right-wing doesn't mean you have to support Trump. Trump's been useful in demolishing the fusion conservative faction and some other stuff but other than that he's been a shit show. The best thing that could happen is postliberal right-wingers coming to dominate the GOP, which could very well happen as even former fusionist conservatives are moving towards that (eg Marco Rubio); but this also means relegating MAGA conservatives to a minority faction.


Can you even pin MAGA people to an ideology? What they support tends to boil down to "whatever Trump says" and Trump is incoherent and contradicting himself all the time.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:29 pm

Rusozak wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Being right-wing doesn't mean you have to support Trump. Trump's been useful in demolishing the fusion conservative faction and some other stuff but other than that he's been a shit show. The best thing that could happen is postliberal right-wingers coming to dominate the GOP, which could very well happen as even former fusionist conservatives are moving towards that (eg Marco Rubio); but this also means relegating MAGA conservatives to a minority faction.


Can you even pin MAGA people to an ideology? What they support tends to boil down to "whatever Trump says" and Trump is incoherent and contradicting himself all the time.

Generally speaking more nationalist in terms of things such as foreign policy and immigration. In terms of economics, you still see a lot of the traditional anti-statist rhetoric and beliefs. A lot of them are just converted fusionists and Tea Partiers that don't like immigration and managed to see the folly of the numerous overseas adventures.
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