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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
61
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I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
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Total votes : 168

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:41 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I know charging this hill with you is...just a no, but I do want to address this misguided conceit for any passerby that might mistake it as a metric.

What's being displayed here as the supposed bias of Politico is it reported more bad things about Trump than it did about Biden.

Except here is a perfect example of why this is not the way you measure bias and any time you start doing it, snap a rubberband on your wrist until you break the habit.

These two events are about as apples to apples as you can get, a town hall where each candidate takes questions from undecided voters.

To support the premise of no bias presented by our friend who uses 'bias' like he was calling base in a game of tag, what politico would have to do is, say, find five bad things to say about Trump and five bad things to say about Biden.

Examining that principle for half a second and you understand that this unnatural imposition itself is making the news instead of reporting it.

It is an absolute fact, Trump refused to condemn Q-Anon. While he pretended to not know about their conspiracy theory he apparently was up to date on them hating pedophilia.

This is a fact. It is unquestionably newsworthy that the president won't condemn something of this nature. Not reporting that because Biden didn't do something of equivalent value because otherwise they'd be 'bias' against Trump is patently ridiculous.

The thing is, Biden gave dry, long responses and the only things worthy of a headline was that he slightly changed his answer on court packing to something he'll answer between the confirmation of Bennet and the election. That is a change, but still a dodge.

He gave a similarly convoluted answer on fracking.

Without hesitation he said the 1994 crime bill was a mistake and then detailed what parts didn't work and what parts he thought still did.

These are the newsworthy things in the Biden town hall.

By our friend's understanding of bias, this would then be the ceiling of things we could say about Trump. We couldn't talk about him defending Q-Anon, we couldn't talk about him continuing to equivocate on masks.

By changing the news so that you're only saying an equal amount of good things and bad things about both 'sides', you are no longer reporting the news. This is not the solution to bias.

Biden is not honest either, still refuses to answer the question on court Packing till after the election.

Yes I heard about how he implied he is against it.

Fact Politico's headline was anti Trump not anti Biden, not anti Both of them, it was and is anti Trump. Fair and Balanced would have been a Headline anti Trump and anti Biden.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:42 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden is not honest either, still refuses to answer the question on court Packing till after the election.

Yes I heard about how he implied he is against it.

Fact Politico's headline was anti Trump not anti Biden, not anti Both of them, it was and is anti Trump. Fair and Balanced would have been a Headline anti Trump and anti Biden.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

No point in trying too argue with someone who will support Trump no matter what.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

No point in trying too argue with someone who will support Trump no matter what.

If you can post this about me, I can post this about you, No point in trying too argue with someone who will support Biden and will vote for Biden no matter what, :) In Politics everything works both ways.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:48 pm

So there's some disagreement about whether Biden promised to give a firm answer about court packing, (a) before the election, or (b) after the election.

I haven't seen it. Calling for a third opinion on this ...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:48 pm

Friendly reminder, it wasn't Biden who told people to get out the lysol and shoot to thrill, or to insert light into their body through the skin or "in some other way."
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:52 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:So there's some disagreement about whether Biden promised to give a firm answer about court packing, (a) before the election, or (b) after the election.

I haven't seen it. Calling for a third opinion on this ...


During the town hall he said he'd give an answer on court packing before the election and a few days ago he said he's "not a fan of the idea" (referring to court packing). Biden for all his faults seemingly sees how disastrous of an idea it would be and is sticking to his prior thoughts on the topic. Or at least that's how it seems currently.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:52 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:So there's some disagreement about whether Biden promised to give a firm answer about court packing, (a) before the election, or (b) after the election.

I haven't seen it. Calling for a third opinion on this ...


It's more based on what the Senate does in confirming Barret, which is expected before the election.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:53 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:So there's some disagreement about whether Biden promised to give a firm answer about court packing, (a) before the election, or (b) after the election.

I haven't seen it. Calling for a third opinion on this ...

I saw the video of Biden saying you will all know my opinion on court packing after the election is over.

I rest my case.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:54 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:So there's some disagreement about whether Biden promised to give a firm answer about court packing, (a) before the election, or (b) after the election.

I haven't seen it. Calling for a third opinion on this ...


It's more based on what the Senate does in confirming Barret, which is expected before the election.

George pressed him if it would be before the election, and that was Biden's stipulation. It depended on how this nomination will be handled and it's expected that it will end before the election.

I don't know what we'll learn about the process, but whatever.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:55 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden is not honest either, still refuses to answer the question on court Packing till after the election.

Yes I heard about how he implied he is against it.

Fact Politico's headline was anti Trump not anti Biden, not anti Both of them, it was and is anti Trump. Fair and Balanced would have been a Headline anti Trump and anti Biden.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

That went pretty much as predicted.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:57 pm

Another endorsement for Biden..

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:00 pm

Also read this little snippet not too long ago
Biden was also asked by a voter about how to bring bipartisan cooperation back to Washington. The former vice president and senator said he'd reach out to Republicans to find common ground and believes some GOP members would work with him on certain issues.

"I'm going to pick up the phone and call them and say, 'let's get together," Biden said. "There's so many things we really do agree on. And with Trump out of the way, the vindictiveness of a president going after Republicans who don't do exactly what he says gets taken away."

Biden also spoke about passing a bill for funding cancer research before he and President Obama left office, when Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell offered to name the bill after Biden's son Beau, who died from cancer in 2015.

"Mitch McConnell stood up and I was presiding officer and moved to name the bill after my deceased son Beau," Biden said. "There are ways to bring this together."


If nothing else it's at least refreshing to me that Biden sees the opposition as people. We could certainly use a lot more of that.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:00 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden is not honest either, still refuses to answer the question on court Packing till after the election.

Yes I heard about how he implied he is against it.

Fact Politico's headline was anti Trump not anti Biden, not anti Both of them, it was and is anti Trump. Fair and Balanced would have been a Headline anti Trump and anti Biden.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

Decided by Rojava who clearly hates President Trump, I think, as his posts I think indicate over and over again, lol.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden is not honest either, still refuses to answer the question on court Packing till after the election.

Yes I heard about how he implied he is against it.

Fact Politico's headline was anti Trump not anti Biden, not anti Both of them, it was and is anti Trump. Fair and Balanced would have been a Headline anti Trump and anti Biden.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.


Still too long:
Says good thing = good headline
Says bad thing = bad headline

So ... a Tortoise is at the shell doctor. He's not really sick, just a bit old and slow and he has some itching inside the shell. Suddenly a Hare bursts in, and without waiting runs right into the shell doctor's surgery. Maybe some trouble with its claws. The Tortoise is most annoyed, he's the only one in the waiting room, so he must be first in the queue, surely. The Hare dashes back out, right out the front door before the Tortoise can finish saying "That's quite wrong ... <door shuts> ... I rest my case."


That said, I'd be very surprised if msn wasn't a bit biased.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

That went pretty much as predicted.

Your post and friends posts went pretty much as predicted.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That went pretty much as predicted.

Your post and friends posts went pretty much as predicted.


This is literally elementary school tier.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Your post and friends posts went pretty much as predicted.


This is literally elementary school tier.

Not started by me again of course, :) It is never started by me, :) lol.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:05 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This is literally elementary school tier.

Not started by me again of course, :) It is never started by me, :) lol.


"He started it" is also elementary school tier.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:08 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You haven't rested anything. The reason the headlines are more negative about Trump is cause he's worse than Biden.

That went pretty much as predicted.

Asked by a reporter don't the voters deserve to know?
Biden, No they don't.

https://twitter.com/RossDiMattei/status ... 2062185472

Harris has refused to answer the question.

I rest my case again, :) lol.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:12 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That went pretty much as predicted.

Asked by a reporter don't the voters deserve to know?
Biden, No they don't.

https://twitter.com/RossDiMattei/status ... 2062185472

Harris has refused to answer the question.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


That link didn't work for me. Does it show that Biden said "after the election" for the answer on court packing?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:14 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Asked by a reporter don't the voters deserve to know?
Biden, No they don't.

https://twitter.com/RossDiMattei/status ... 2062185472

Harris has refused to answer the question.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


That link didn't work for me. Does it show that Biden said "after the election" for the answer on court packing?


It's back from the 10th, here's one from tonight.

The important bit if it doesn't work
"They do have a right to know where I'll stand and they'll have a right to know where I stand before they vote," Biden said.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:15 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Asked by a reporter don't the voters deserve to know?
Biden, No they don't.

https://twitter.com/RossDiMattei/status ... 2062185472

Harris has refused to answer the question.

I rest my case again, :) lol.


That link didn't work for me. Does it show that Biden said "after the election" for the answer on court packing?

I am searching for it. In the mean time, it seems like you don't trust this reporter who asked Biden, don't the voters deserve to know? and Biden answered No they Don't. But this video link does not work for you, and I think does not work for my other critics as well. It works for me, Biden, NO They Don't.

I rest my case again.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also read this little snippet not too long ago
Biden was also asked by a voter about how to bring bipartisan cooperation back to Washington. The former vice president and senator said he'd reach out to Republicans to find common ground and believes some GOP members would work with him on certain issues.

"I'm going to pick up the phone and call them and say, 'let's get together," Biden said. "There's so many things we really do agree on. And with Trump out of the way, the vindictiveness of a president going after Republicans who don't do exactly what he says gets taken away."

Biden also spoke about passing a bill for funding cancer research before he and President Obama left office, when Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell offered to name the bill after Biden's son Beau, who died from cancer in 2015.

"Mitch McConnell stood up and I was presiding officer and moved to name the bill after my deceased son Beau," Biden said. "There are ways to bring this together."


If nothing else it's at least refreshing to me that Biden sees the opposition as people. We could certainly use a lot more of that.

Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:22 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also read this little snippet not too long ago

If nothing else it's at least refreshing to me that Biden sees the opposition as people. We could certainly use a lot more of that.

Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.

As I know and we know you all agree with Biden and his Democrat Talking Points against President Trump. We love President Trump because we strongly agree with President Trump and the Republican on most issues. We don't have any Problems with President Trump and the Republicans.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:23 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also read this little snippet not too long ago

If nothing else it's at least refreshing to me that Biden sees the opposition as people. We could certainly use a lot more of that.

Definitely a breath of fresh air after suffering through nearly 4 years of Trump vitriol.


And have a leader who knows what they are talking about and doesn’t come off like a total buffoon.
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