2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The question then becomes... where does this all go?

Whether Trump wins or loses, the Republicans will have learned from him. The next Republican on the ticketwill be younger, more energetic, more charismatic, better spoken, and far more right wing. Imagine if Trump knew how to properly dog-whistle and use anti-leftist rhetoric.

And the Dems will move further to the right as well, and they will become even less populist because the Republicans will claim charisma as their own.

The current American system can only lead to the right.

Isn't it grand?

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

[Kexholm Karelia]

Isn't it grand?

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Modern day companies can’t cause a genocide like the Chinese cultural revolution, governments can. I will take my chances with companies

[Greater Miami Shores]

ok, but I still think both the Democrats and Republicans are doing what I described above in my original post. Here in Florida, I attend a Trump rally every Saturday, and there are others. I attend a Trump campaign office meeting every Wednesday night, like last night, and there are others.

I attend the peaceful Trump rallies with my Republican Red shirt and my Republican Red Trump 2020 Maga Cap Hat Proudly. As I have posted about before and shared with all my fellow nations, and those that care, as we are allowed to do so.

I Fly the Flag of the USA with Pride and Honor, I did not jump down as Biden said, don't jump down, I jump up with Pride and Honor, we Fly the Flag of the USA with Pride and Honor. The Flag of the USA should be respected, not burned or desecrated, it is the symbol of the nation and governments that gives us the right to strongly disagree with our government in peaceful demonstrations. As the song God Bless The USA Says.

This last Saturday there was a big Pro Trump Caravan event in Miami. this Sunday there will be another one and so on.

Yeah, of course Trump campaigns in his home state, where part of his base lives in the form of retired white people. At least, those who have not been killed off by corona. If Trump loses Florida, there is basically no hope of him winning the election.

Your personal experienes aren't interesting at all in that regard.

My personal experiences related to the election and thread are allowed, and interesting to those who agree with me and the Republicans as I point out.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Isn't it grand?

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Most reasonable people stopped caring about the word fascist years ago. It's to the left what communism is to the right. It means nothing anymore.

[Telconi]

Isn't it grand?

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

"Millions suffering is bad!"

Says the guy who advocates for millions to suffer...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Modern day companies can’t cause a genocide like the Chinese cultural revolution, governments can. I will take my chances with companies

Do you know what the captives of those Chinese labour camps are doing all day?

Companies will happily collaborate with governments during a genocide. They don’t stand to gain directly, but their gain is in supporting movements whose logical end point is genocide. Instead, follow the libertarian left.

Also, your entire reasoning is fallacious and betrays deep misunderstandings about how basic logic works.

[Vassenor]

More people voted against him by a margin of several million. He won because of the electoral college and the democrats neglecting certain states.

Even doing that when the entire media establishment is against you and your supporters are tagged as racist is impressive

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87UXIH8Lzo

Meanwhile, in reality...

[Vassenor]

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Modern day companies can’t cause a genocide like the Chinese cultural revolution, governments can. I will take my chances with companies

Meanwhile Trump praised the Chinese government for their treatment of the Uighur population and used it as the inspiration for the ICE camps.

[Reverend Norv]

The question then becomes... where does this all go?

Whether Trump wins or loses, the Republicans will have learned from him. The next Republican on the ticketwill be younger, more energetic, more charismatic, better spoken, and far more right wing. Imagine if Trump knew how to properly dog-whistle and use anti-leftist rhetoric.

And the Dems will move further to the right as well, and they will become even less populist because the Republicans will claim charisma as their own.

The current American system can only lead to the right.

I don't know that this is true. The problem with right-wing populism as currently constituted in this country is that it has a demographic expiration date on it. Most Americans already don't see themselves included in the Coalition of Restoration promoted by Sen. Hawley, Mr. Carlson, and others. While these younger right-wing populists would certainly be more attractive and plausible mouthpieces for that ideology than Trump, they will also contend with a population less amenable to their views with every passing year. As powerful as an anti-elitist message is (and has always been), every time these folks rail against multiculturalism or praise the principle of subsidiarity to family and church, they lose another bunch of voters under thirty who don't see a place for themselves in that America. And there is no evidence that right-wing populists are willing or able to disentangle their facially pro-worker policies from the more exclusionary aspects of their message.

This is not to say that the country is facing a turn to the left, either. But it is to say that there's a reason so many people on the right fear being consigned to permanent minority status. They are not speaking to America as it is genuinely constituted today. They are certainly not speaking to America as it will be constituted in five, ten, or twenty years.

[Kannap]

Ah, one step closer to confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Not hearing any good news.

[The Marlborough]

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Most reasonable people stopped caring about the word fascist years ago. It's to the left what communism is to the right. It means nothing anymore.

Pretty much. Same with racist, rather unfortunately.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Most reasonable people stopped caring about the word fascist years ago. It's to the left what communism is to the right. It means nothing anymore.

It means something for people who actually read about core fascist tenants. Leftists can properly react to claims of communism. Mainly, by lamenting the fact that the democrats aren’t half as communist as the Republicans claim. But Republicans can’t do the same. They just lament the use of the Bad Word while their rhetoric and policies match ur-fascistic tenets. What argued position have you ever seen a Republican to deny their fascism? Other than the claim that the word is overused? Because that seems to be the only defence.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Most reasonable people stopped caring about the word fascist years ago. It's to the left what communism is to the right. It means nothing anymore.

It means something for people who actually read about core fascist tenants. Leftists can properly react to claims of communism. Mainly, by lamenting the fact that the democrats aren’t half as communist as the Republicans claim. But Republicans can’t do the same. They just lament the use of the Bad Word while their rhetoric and policies match ur-fascistic tenets. What argued position have you ever seen a Republican to deny their fascism? Other than the claim that the word is overused? Because that seems to be the only defence.

Yeah it does mean something for people who actually know fascist doctrine and theory. I'll give you a hint, those people aren't the ones going around claiming every right wing populist is the second coming of big H. Especially fucking Trump of all people lol, he's entirely lacking in ideology. He just wants more money and power.

Most reasonable people stopped caring about the word fascist years ago. It's to the left what communism is to the right. It means nothing anymore.

Pretty much. Same with racist, rather unfortunately.

That's a very unfortunate thing, yes. Hearing the word doesn't even so much as elicit a response from me, it's been beaten into total uselessness.

[Valrifell]

The question then becomes... where does this all go?

Whether Trump wins or loses, the Republicans will have learned from him. The next Republican on the ticketwill be younger, more energetic, more charismatic, better spoken, and far more right wing. Imagine if Trump knew how to properly dog-whistle and use anti-leftist rhetoric.

And the Dems will move further to the right as well, and they will become even less populist because the Republicans will claim charisma as their own.

The current American system can only lead to the right.

I don't think the bolded naturally follows from your premise. The Dems haven't been moving to the right to follow the Republicans in the wake of 2016 so I don't know why they'd start now.

[Valrifell]

It means something for people who actually read about core fascist tenants. Leftists can properly react to claims of communism. Mainly, by lamenting the fact that the democrats aren’t half as communist as the Republicans claim. But Republicans can’t do the same. They just lament the use of the Bad Word while their rhetoric and policies match ur-fascistic tenets. What argued position have you ever seen a Republican to deny their fascism? Other than the claim that the word is overused? Because that seems to be the only defence.

Yeah it does mean something for people who actually know fascist doctrine and theory. I'll give you a hint, those people aren't the ones going around claiming every right wing populist is the second coming of big H. Especially fucking Trump of all people lol, he's entirely lacking in ideology. He just wants more money and power.

Several political theorists, such as Umberto Eco, have argued that fascism is less about coherent ideology and more about form and packaging with identifiable characteristics. Mussolini and Hitler practiced fascism differently, but we understand both as fascist.

[San Lumen]

Ah, one step closer to confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Not hearing any good news.

They were always going to ram it through.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah it does mean something for people who actually know fascist doctrine and theory. I'll give you a hint, those people aren't the ones going around claiming every right wing populist is the second coming of big H. Especially fucking Trump of all people lol, he's entirely lacking in ideology. He just wants more money and power.

Several political theorists, such as Umberto Eco, have argued that fascism is less about coherent ideology and more about form and packaging.

I disagree vehemently with him. All the fascist movements that actually took hold did have solid, if flexible, ideologies.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It means something for people who actually read about core fascist tenants. Leftists can properly react to claims of communism. Mainly, by lamenting the fact that the democrats aren’t half as communist as the Republicans claim. But Republicans can’t do the same. They just lament the use of the Bad Word while their rhetoric and policies match ur-fascistic tenets. What argued position have you ever seen a Republican to deny their fascism? Other than the claim that the word is overused? Because that seems to be the only defence.

Yeah it does mean something for people who actually know fascist doctrine and theory. I'll give you a hint, those people aren't the ones going around claiming every right wing populist is the second coming of big H. Especially fucking Trump of all people lol, he's entirely lacking in ideology. He just wants more money and power.

Pretty much. Same with racist, rather unfortunately.

That's a very unfortunate thing, yes. Hearing the word doesn't even so much as elicit a response from me, it's been beaten into total uselessness.

Fascism is also, at its core, an opportunistic ideology. It’s just about power. Just look at the Nazi elite, who did nothing but enrich themselves. Fascism is highly regional. Of course no-one is going to be Hitler.p, especially not in the US. But that’s just because the nationalism of the US is vastly different from German nationalism in the early 20th century. Thinking that all fascism is goose-stepping swastika-wielders doing the Hitler salute misses the point entirely. No matter what Trump believes, his ultra-masculine nationalistic, chauvanistic anti-leftist rhetoric is extremely similar to that of other fascists leaders. Trump might himself not be a fascist. I can’t read his mind. But it doesn’t matter what he thinks, it’s about what he does.

The institutions in the US are stronger than in Weimar Germany at the moment. That’s the only reason Trump even pays lip service to democracy. But at the core, his tactics are absolutely fascistic.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Fuck off, the horrific consequences of the Republicans running a more racist, outwardly fascist version of Trump should scare any reasonable person.

Even if you think that some little gain for yourself justifies the suffering of millions; you will not gain anything. The more right wing the US becomes, the more you will help companies squeeze what little rights you have left under the current system. Supporting right wing policies is self-destructive for anyone who works to earn money. Your gloating over the suffering of millions doesn’t make you somehow more right, like you seem to think.

“If I pretend I don’t care I win!”

Modern day companies can’t cause a genocide like the Chinese cultural revolution, governments can. I will take my chances with companies

Funny how the companies do business with the Chinese government. You're comparing two sides of the same coin.

[Jerzylvania]

Ah, one step closer to confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Not hearing any good news.

They were always going to ram it through.

Maybe he needs a hearing aid.

[Gravlen]

More people voted against him by a margin of several million. He won because of the electoral college and the democrats neglecting certain states.

Even doing that when the entire media establishment is against you and your supporters are tagged as racist is impressive

Not really, and not just because you're incorrect. The fact of the matter is that a huge part of the american electorate is racist. The candiacy of Trump just allowed them to be more open about it.

Roberta McCain just died. When she was a teenager, there were 4 million official, out-in-the-open members of the Ku Klux Klan in the US.

50 years ago there were riots and protests because schools were being integrated. The people pictured here, yelling at black students, are in their sixties today - people who will reliably vote.

James Byrd Jr. was lynched in 1998. Racism is still scarily prevalent in the US.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Even doing that when the entire media establishment is against you and your supporters are tagged as racist is impressive

Not really, and not just because you're incorrect. The fact of the matter is that a huge part of the american electorate is racist. The candiacy of Trump just allowed them to be more open about it.

Roberta McCain just died. When she was a teenager, there were 4 million official, out-in-the-open members of the Ku Klux Klan in the US.

50 years ago there were riots and protests because schools were being integrated. The people pictured here, yelling at black students, are in their sixties today - people who will reliably vote.

James Byrd Jr. was lynched in 1998. Racism is still scarily prevalent in the US.

I've witnessed too much racism to think it's gone. America is still a hostile place for black people, Arabs and Hispanics.

[Major-Tom]

Not really, and not just because you're incorrect. The fact of the matter is that a huge part of the american electorate is racist. The candiacy of Trump just allowed them to be more open about it.

Roberta McCain just died. When she was a teenager, there were 4 million official, out-in-the-open members of the Ku Klux Klan in the US.

50 years ago there were riots and protests because schools were being integrated. The people pictured here, yelling at black students, are in their sixties today - people who will reliably vote.

James Byrd Jr. was lynched in 1998. Racism is still scarily prevalent in the US.

I've witnessed too much racism to think it's gone. America is still a hostile place for black people, Arabs and Hispanics.

Ditto, and I say this as a white dude. Even in ordinary conversations, it's pretty easy to pick up on the racist attitudes of others when they feel that you will turn a blind eye or even agree.

[Kannap]

Ah, one step closer to confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Not hearing any good news.

They were always going to ram it through.

For some reason I expected Democrats to be more opposed to it. Shouldn't have gotten my hopes up, I suppose.

[Valrifell]

They were always going to ram it through.

For some reason I expected Democrats to be more opposed to it. Shouldn't have gotten my hopes up, I suppose.

There's nothing they can do, though. The filibuster is gone and they have 48 seats, the math is not good.

The best they could have hoped for is her slipping in the hearings that would get national attention on some scandal, which didn't happen.