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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:48 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.


Maybe it's my paranoia, but the fact he specified "November 3rd election" makes me a bit wary he's referring to whoever is in the lead on election night only - and not the final result

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The Black Forrest wrote:More then 200 retired admirals and generals signed a letter of endorsement for Biden. Stated trump failed to meet challenges large and small. A few even served under trump....

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/poli ... n/2426700/


I suspect a fair number are pissed about abandoning the Kurds.

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It is. There are some lines even Republicans wont cross.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit ... ia_092420/

New poll from Monmouth one of the best pollsters out there has Trump up three in Iowa and the senate election tied.


Among registered voters, yes, but among likely voters, Greenfield leads by about 3 points; Trump's lead doesn't change. It's clear that Iowa will go to Trump but by a smaller margin. The Senate Race, however, is a toss-up that we should watch closely.


I wouldn't be too sure of that. Iowa is more of a turnout state than anything else, both parties' bases are super ideological. That's the real source of its swinginess -- which party is more jazzed to show up.

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Zurkerx wrote:nearly 500 national security experts, with the inclusion of nearly 200 retired Generals & Admirals, have endorsed Biden.

Several served well into the Trump Administration, including Retired Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who was the second-highest ranking officer in the military as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until August 2019. That will certainly continue to irk Trump and his supporters, whom I suspect will label them as "traitors".

If Trump plays the "I'm not leaving" card too hard, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a military coup.

We probably wouldn’t even need to get that far, if Trump refuses to leave then Secret Service and US Marshals will just frog march his ass into a black sedan and haul him away.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:53 am

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.


Maybe it's my paranoia, but the fact he specified "November 3rd election" makes me a bit wary he's referring to whoever is in the lead on election night only - and not the final result

Not to mention, the first US presidential transition was in 1797, when John Adams took over from Washington. But hey, Senator Collins of Maine believes Senator McConnell and that's good enough for me. :)
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:53 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
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I suspect a fair number are pissed about abandoning the Kurds.

Rojava is unsustainable, as we saw, the minute the big powers shielding it are gone, it will be asswiped by a combination of Assad’s forces, Turkey, and what remains of the FSA


It’s usually bad form to “cut and run” in the middle of a fight. The Kurds will not fight for the US again.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:57 am

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Among registered voters, yes, but among likely voters, Greenfield leads by about 3 points; Trump's lead doesn't change. It's clear that Iowa will go to Trump but by a smaller margin. The Senate Race, however, is a toss-up that we should watch closely.


I wouldn't be too sure of that. Iowa is more of a turnout state than anything else, both parties' bases are super ideological. That's the real source of its swinginess -- which party is more jazzed to show up.


In terms of the Presidential Race? Well, Republicans would hold that edge certainly as they are more enthusiastic so to speak although while the Democrats levels of enthusiasm doesn't match the GOP's, they certainly have the numbers. So yeah, turnout will be key but at this moment, I don't see Biden winning Iowa. I do, however, think Greenfield and Trump will win, albeit by a small margin.
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Postby Ngelmish » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:03 am

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I wouldn't be too sure of that. Iowa is more of a turnout state than anything else, both parties' bases are super ideological. That's the real source of its swinginess -- which party is more jazzed to show up.


In terms of the Presidential Race? Well, Republicans would hold that edge certainly as they are more enthusiastic so to speak although while the Democrats levels of enthusiasm doesn't match the GOP's, they certainly have the numbers. So yeah, turnout will be key but at this moment, I don't see Biden winning Iowa. I do, however, think Greenfield and Trump will win, albeit by a small margin.


Iowa is one of the only states in the country that was cool with having diametrically opposite senators, Harkin and Grassley, for 30 years and into the tea party era. Demographically, the state is friendly to Trump, but the question is if he has room to grow with rural whites there. If he does, he's got Iowa in a bag. If he's already maxed out, though, and Biden can cut into the margins then it's back in tossup territory.

As for the senate race, Ernst was weird and tone deaf in 2014 too (her victory was the most ludicrous outcome of that election), but this time she has an opponent who doesn't trip over themselves, whenever they open their mouth, so yeah, I'd say Greenfield is a favorite at this point.

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Postby Post War America » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:04 am

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I suspect a fair number are pissed about abandoning the Kurds.

Rojava is unsustainable, as we saw, the minute the big powers shielding it are gone, it will be asswiped by a combination of Assad’s forces, Turkey, and what remains of the FSA


It does mean that the US lost one of the most reliable Non-Governmental Actors in the region however. That makes the job of the Military a lot harder.
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Aureumterra III wrote:Rojava is unsustainable, as we saw, the minute the big powers shielding it are gone, it will be asswiped by a combination of Assad’s forces, Turkey, and what remains of the FSA


It does mean that the US lost one of the most reliable Non-Governmental Actors in the region however. That makes the job of the Military a lot harder.

I don’t understand why the US is there in the first place
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It does mean that the US lost one of the most reliable Non-Governmental Actors in the region however. That makes the job of the Military a lot harder.

I don’t understand why the US is there in the first place


Because our interests conflict with those of Iran, Russia, and even our supposed "ally" Turkey.
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So presumably your whining about what's happening to old people's housing values is about your inheritance?


The value of homes has a lot to do with location, build quality, etc etc

and being next to low income housing or the ghetto is absolutely a factor. This is like real estate 101.


It's not, actually, take it from somebody who has a real estate license and can sell or purchase homes for clients. Low income housing being built in more middle-class area usually has a pretty negligible impact on the local market tbh, and if anything, usually raises the value of the low income housing.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:24 am

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.


Maybe it's my paranoia, but the fact he specified "November 3rd election" makes me a bit wary he's referring to whoever is in the lead on election night only - and not the final result


I had the same thought. They might cry voter fraud for any mail-in results and try to shut that down.

I'm registered to vote by mail, I've gone and decided I'll be voting in person, taking the risk.

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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t understand why the US is there in the first place


Because our interests conflict with those of Iran, Russia, and even our supposed "ally" Turkey.

America being the world’s police is a terrible idea
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:28 am

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Because our interests conflict with those of Iran, Russia, and even our supposed "ally" Turkey.

America being the world’s police is a terrible idea

Realistically it’s either the US, Russia or China, which would you prefer?
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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:America being the world’s police is a terrible idea

Realistically it’s either the US, Russia or China, which would you prefer?

You’re a neocon now?!

China is already doing the same thing America is trying to do, but they have proven to be effective at it, and America has done nothing to stop them. So China is already effectively policing the world wether or not America does the same.

Also Assad is the best outcome for Syria, the least of all the evils there
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:35 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Realistically it’s either the US, Russia or China, which would you prefer?

You’re a neocon now?!

China is already doing the same thing America is trying to do, but they have proven to be effective at it, and America has done nothing to stop them. So China is already effectively policing the world wether or not America does the same.

Also Assad is the best outcome for Syria, the least of all the evils there

Funny, I have been called a neocon in negative terms and anything you can think of and then some, for my right wing views on Foreign Policy, domestic policy and social policies.
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Aureumterra III wrote:Rojava is unsustainable, as we saw, the minute the big powers shielding it are gone, it will be asswiped by a combination of Assad’s forces, Turkey, and what remains of the FSA


It’s usually bad form to “cut and run” in the middle of a fight. The Kurds will not fight for the US again.

The Kurds turned their back on just about every other ally they had. Turnabout is fair play
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Rojava is unsustainable, as we saw, the minute the big powers shielding it are gone, it will be asswiped by a combination of Assad’s forces, Turkey, and what remains of the FSA


It’s usually bad form to “cut and run” in the middle of a fight. The Kurds will not fight for the US again.


Frankly I think our country has done enough to deserve having the whole world politically and economically cut us off.
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It’s usually bad form to “cut and run” in the middle of a fight. The Kurds will not fight for the US again.

The Kurds turned their back on just about every other ally they had. Turnabout is fair play


Which allies?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:41 am

Aureumterra III wrote:You’re a neocon now?!

No, I’m a realist, I’d prefer no one be the world police, but if someone has to be the world police then a choice has to be made on who that should be.
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Thermodolia wrote:The Kurds turned their back on just about every other ally they had. Turnabout is fair play


Which allies?

Take your pick. The Kurds have been allies with and betrayed literally everyone in the Middle East. From the turks to the Arabs to the Iranians and all of the differences in between those.
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So what, I have been to Trump rallies, where we have Cubans, Blacks, Venezuelans, a successful Laotian American business man from communist Laos, Colombians, Euros and others, where we support and love Trump, because we agree with him and the Republicans on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it, :) lol.
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