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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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Too Early to Say
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:41 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.

Proven liars promise that they will give up power if the other guy wins.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:42 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
No State Here wrote:Fox News is clearly biased, but their online articles are generally reliable. The same goes for CNN. The unreliable conspriacies can generally be attributed to the talking heads on TV, not the online articles

Talking heads on TV are arguably what "ruined" journalism, along with social media

Way back in the day, people would buy newspapers as that was the only way to get news, eventually radio and television came along, but they generally had an hour or two per day allowed to reporting the news. Due to the limited time, they did just that, report the news. 24 hour news is when the opinion and media propaganda machine began, and social media has now broken official news outlet’s monopoly on the news


Ironically, social media is even worse.

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.


McConnell is too much of a chickenshit coward to risk being ousted in a coup or violent uprising. The GOP is too afraid of losing all their power to go down with the same ship as Trump. They're filling the lifeboats as we speak.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:45 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Talking heads on TV are arguably what "ruined" journalism, along with social media

Way back in the day, people would buy newspapers as that was the only way to get news, eventually radio and television came along, but they generally had an hour or two per day allowed to reporting the news. Due to the limited time, they did just that, report the news. 24 hour news is when the opinion and media propaganda machine began, and social media has now broken official news outlet’s monopoly on the news


Ironically, social media is even worse.

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.


McConnell is too much of a chickenshit coward to risk being ousted in a coup or violent uprising. The GOP is too afraid of losing all their power to go down with the same ship as Trump. They're filling the lifeboats as we speak.

Its not about being chickenshit. His comments were the appropriate thing to say.

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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:51 am

Pretty scary that such a pushback is even necessary.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:53 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Pretty scary that such a pushback is even necessary.


Turns out electing someone who's had everything handed to him and has never had to lift a finger in his life was a bad idea or something, idk.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:54 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Pretty scary that such a pushback is even necessary.


It is. There are some lines even Republicans wont cross.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit ... ia_092420/

New poll from Monmouth one of the best pollsters out there has Trump up three in Iowa and the senate election tied.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:54 am

Valrifell wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Pretty scary that such a pushback is even necessary.


Turns out electing someone who's had everything handed to him and has never had to lift a finger in his life was a bad idea or something, idk.

But Val, we need to run this country like a business!
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Pretty scary that such a pushback is even necessary.


It is. There are some lines even Republicans wont cross.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit ... ia_092420/

New poll from Monmouth one of the best pollsters out there has Trump up three in Iowa and the senate election tied.


Among registered voters, yes, but among likely voters, Greenfield leads by about 3 points; Trump's lead doesn't change. It's clear that Iowa will go to Trump but by a smaller margin. The Senate Race, however, is a toss-up that we should watch closely.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:01 am

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It still would be a coup. A coup can happen to prevent another coup.


A coup, by definition is extralegal. If they just arrest Trump for squatting on the White House grounds, then it's not outside the law and isn't a coup.

Well that depends on when they do it. If they do it after the 20th then ya it’s not a coup but if they remove Trump after the 3rd but before the 20th after it becomes clear that Biden won but Trump tries to throw the election then it’s a coup.

Even if they handed power to Biden on the 20th it would still have been a coup and would mean the end of the GOP
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:07 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
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What you don't trust the military? :roll:

Specially considering Trump has the power to appoint generals.

Ah, but that's the thing innit. They're sworn to defend the American Republic, not Trump.

I don't know what their intentions would be, necessarily. Violence in the streets would also be guaranteed at that point, although I suppose it would already be occuring if Trump refuses to go.


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I don't care if they have to gas him out of the Oval Office, he tries to keep the office after being voted out it's already a coup and he needs to be removed, forcefully or not.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:31 am

https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/stat ... 98274?s=20

New Arizona poll has Biden up 49 to 46. The same pollster showed 47-45 Biden in June.

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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:33 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.

Unless he pulls some "Trump was the REAL winner" bs after the election I have lost all the respect I had left for the man
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:34 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.

Unless he pulls some "Trump was the REAL winner" bs after the election I have lost all the respect I had left for the man


I think this is one line Republicans in Congress won;'t cross.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:35 am

In all this worrying about election security...less than 1/3 of Americans think the election will be held fairly.


That's bad news.
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:38 am

Kowani wrote:In all this worrying about election security...less than 1/3 of Americans think the election will be held fairly.


That's bad news.

Majority not trusting the government?

This gives me in an idea ;)

Ok in all seriousness that honestly does suck. Even if they are to be held freely, if it's at point where that few people in the country trust you, a bad thing as you say.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517973-mcconnell-pushes-back-on-trump-there-will-be-an-orderly-transition

McConnell shut down Trumps outrageous comments about a peaceful transfer of power.

he said in a statement "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792, The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517 ... p-comments

Senator Graham also vowed the party will accept election results.

Proven liars promise that they will give up power if the other guy wins.


Yeah, kinda sounds like, in the event of any doubt of the results or if the issue drags on in courts or whatever, they intend to announce Trump the winner and will demand everyone peacefully honor their proclamation.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 am

Autumn Wind wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Proven liars promise that they will give up power if the other guy wins.


Yeah, kinda sounds like, in the event of any doubt of the results or if the issue drags on in courts or whatever, they intend to announce Trump the winner and will demand everyone peacefully honor their proclamation.


I honestly dont think Roberts or Alito want to get involved in such a controversy. Roberts is very concerned with the legacy and legitimacy of the court.

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:46 am

Okay, time for another one of Zurk's 270 Maps!



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Biden will still take Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and now dare I say it, NE-2. Biden should win Nebraska's 2nd District, especially with recent polls there showing Biden leading by 5 points at least, making the area a likely blue. But other notable changes include seeing Texas being downgraded to likely red and Maine's 2nd District I now have tilt blue. However, I did downgrade Florida to a tilt blue given Biden's not as strong performance with Latinos in the State as well as making Iowa a likely red; it's clear Trump will win there albeit by a small margin.

The race has tightened a bit but Biden's stable lead is showing he's still got a good chance to win as 538 currently gives Biden a 78% of winning the Election. But with the passing of Ginsburg and the first debate coming up, it's tough to say how people will react, especially when you have a President that refuses to commit to peaceful transfer of power. Even if Biden does lose Florida, North Carolina, and Georgia, he can make this up by picking up the Rust Belt and Arizona. Suffice to say, these next 6 weeks are going to interesting, and rough.

Battleground Map:

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Now to the Senate:

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It still remains 51-49 though it seems likely Democrats will take the Senate. Seats that will likely flip for the Democrats are Arizona, Colorado, Maine, and North Carolina, putting the GOP in the minority. Needless to say, we need to keep our eyes on Iowa, a place where Greenfield is surprisingly doing well despite the State favoring Trump, and Montana, where Daines is leading but it's small. We also need to watch Georgia, Kansas, and South Carolina though these areas seem lean or are likely to go red. The Supreme Court Vacancy could shift these races, especially in Red States.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:48 am

Kowani wrote:In all this worrying about election security...less than 1/3 of Americans think the election will be held fairly.


That's bad news.

I mean, you have the commander in chief telling every microphone he can find that it will be fraudulent and then ten minutes later revealing that it will be because of him as he tells his supporters to vote twice, undermines the post office to limit voting, encourages his supporters to participate in voter intimidation etc. It's easy to see how they got there.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:50 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kowani wrote:In all this worrying about election security...less than 1/3 of Americans think the election will be held fairly.


That's bad news.

I mean, you have the commander in chief telling every microphone he can find that it will be fraudulent and then ten minutes later revealing that it will be because of him as he tells his supporters to vote twice, undermines the post office to limit voting, encourages his supporters to participate in voter intimidation etc. It's easy to see how they got there.

If any other elected official said something like that they would be indicted.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I mean, you have the commander in chief telling every microphone he can find that it will be fraudulent and then ten minutes later revealing that it will be because of him as he tells his supporters to vote twice, undermines the post office to limit voting, encourages his supporters to participate in voter intimidation etc. It's easy to see how they got there.

If any other elected official said something like that they would be indicted.

Maybe not indicted but definitely encouraged to resign for being a shithead.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:05 am

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... oral-race-

The election isn;'t until next year but we have a stunning development in the election to replace De Blasio. NYC council speaker Corey Johnson has announced he will not run for mayor. He was widely considered to be a frontrunner.

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More then 200 retired admirals and generals signed a letter of endorsement for Biden. Stated trump failed to meet challenges large and small. A few even served under trump....

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/poli ... n/2426700/
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The Black Forrest wrote:More then 200 retired admirals and generals signed a letter of endorsement for Biden. Stated trump failed to meet challenges large and small. A few even served under trump....

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/poli ... n/2426700/


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