2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Albrenia]

I don't think this is a case of The Asshole Who Cried Wolf. I think he legitimately has the disease, since if he was lying he'd be talking about how heroically he's isolating himself despite feeling fine (since he's the healthiest President ever), instead of missing phone calls with a high fever.

[Telconi]

Giving it 75% chance Trump is lying about COVID just to skip the debates after his pathetic and embarrassing showing at the first one.

An embarrassing act by Trump would be predicated on Trump being capable of embarrassment.

[Bear Stearns]

Giving it 75% chance Trump is lying about COVID just to skip the debates after his pathetic and embarrassing showing at the first one.

If Trump is lying about covid, it's more likely to hide that he has something even worse, not that he doesn't have anything. Enough with the conspiracy theories.

[Major-Tom]

Nah man, let's not start the conspiracy crap here.

Not really a conspiracy to theorize that a man who lies all the time is maybe lying again.

I had a coworker who was the same way - lied about almost everything and whenever he told the truth it didn't matter because nobody believed him.

Okay? A good portion of his team caught it, and we know who gave it to him. Additionally, Trump isn't the type to take 2 weeks off campaigning. He has it, man. And there's a good chance he could get seriously ill.

[Vassenor]

Giving it 75% chance Trump is lying about COVID just to skip the debates after his pathetic and embarrassing showing at the first one.

If Trump is lying about covid, it's more likely to hide that he has something even worse, not that he doesn't have anything. Enough with the conspiracy theories.

And what worse thing would that be?

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Trump is allegedly being moved to Walter Reed Medical Center.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak ... 5823191040

[Thermodolia]

Giving it 75% chance Trump is lying about COVID just to skip the debates after his pathetic and embarrassing showing at the first one.

I don’t. The army wouldn’t let him stay at Walter reed if it was a cover up.

The guy is legitimately sick.

[Kannap]

Giving it 75% chance Trump is lying about COVID just to skip the debates after his pathetic and embarrassing showing at the first one.

I don’t. The army wouldn’t let him stay at Walter reed if it was a cover up.

The guy is legitimately sick.

Wasn't aware he was in the hospital, big oof.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Trump is allegedly being moved to Walter Reed Medical Center.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak ... 5823191040

America in one month and two days: Oh god oh f**k it's President Pence

[Cordel One]

Trump is allegedly being moved to Walter Reed Medical Center.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak ... 5823191040

And the White House was trying to say he's not that sick.

[Shrillland]

Trump is allegedly being moved to Walter Reed Medical Center.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak ... 5823191040

America in one month and two days: Oh god oh f**k it's President Pence

That's fine. Pence isn't like Trump, so by the time he's in charge, the election will be won for Biden and Pence won't do anything to stop it.

That being said, as before, I'm not wishing ill of course.

[Bear Stearns]

If Trump is lying about covid, it's more likely to hide that he has something even worse, not that he doesn't have anything. Enough with the conspiracy theories.

And what worse thing would that be?

A number of diseases.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And what worse thing would that be?

A number of diseases.

How about a bad case of covid that he is claiming is more mild than it really is.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I hope he survives a near-death experience and comes back realizing all the wrong he's done and tries to make amends for it.

Naive, maybe, but I prefer bad people realizing they're bad and trying to fix it than just dying. Call me an idealist.

Eh well the world is shades of gray. Trump may have done bad. But he’s also done good. Such as volunteering his private jet years ago so a boy could get a life saving surgery when his parents couldn’t afford the plane ticket. Or when he loaned money to a bunch of people who were struggling with their mortgages and never took a penny in repayment. Just tore up the contract and told them to enjoy their mortgage free homes.

One can always use greater humility. But probably the greatest sign of maturity is realizing the world isn’t so black and white. Something both political parties in America could do well to learn.

Literally what the fuck is this? Like, what the fuck am I reading?

Donald Trump has spent his entire life screwing people over and deliberately letting them suffer and die just to enrich himself. He doesn't fucking care. I genuinely--genuinely--do not fucking care if he donated to charity one time or rescued a kitten from a tree another time. Doing a few cookie-cutter good deeds doesn't make up for all the scummy things he's done. No, the world isn't black and white, but some people do in fact fit into the categories of "good" and "evil". Trump falls into the latter. He has disrespected dead soldiers (including Biden's own son to his face during the debate), he has endorsed and defend white supremacists and other racists, he continues to praise and do business with Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party--who use slave labor and Orwellian-style authoritarianism to control their people and are currently orchestrating genocide--while trying to convince people he actually opposes them, he downplayed a deadly virus for months and has done nothing to control it's spread resulting in the deaths of 200,000 people which experts say is twice the number it could have been if he had actually done something not to mention the fact he's been trying to suppress information on it that contradicts his absurd claims, he has been sued multiple times on multiple accounts for discriminating against his black employees and customers (which shouldn't come as any surprise to the son of a KKK member), he's been dodging taxes for years, he has several ongoing legal cases against him in the State of New York, he has several ongoing rape allegations including the very real possibility that he has sexually molested young adolescent young girls and a history of gross and disgusting sexist and perverse comments toward women and girls including his fucking daughter, he has openly told his supporters to commit voter intimidation and fraud as he tries to find ways to rig the election, he's take a whole year's worth of vacations to his private golf courses and hotels and even charges the Secret Service to stay there so all the taxpayer money he gets as a paycheck and funds the USSS ends up going into his own bank account... bro, I could honestly go on. There's so many horrible things he has done or has been accused of that there's simply no way he can be "morally gray".

In order to be "morally gray" your good and bad deeds have to be roughly equal. Trump's bad deeds heavily outweigh his good ones, to the point they've completely broken the scale used to weigh them. A bad guy doing good things once and a while doesn't make him any less of a bad guy. Trump is, simply, evil. The vast majority of his actions and words have shown a callous disregard for human life and prosperity to the point of either complete disdain for other people or notions of superiority to others he views "beneath" him. It's not subjective to call him evil; it's what he is. He fits the definition--"profoundly immoral and wicked"--to a fucking T.

The world in general isn't black and white, no. But sometimes it can be, sometimes it is. Good v. Evil does very much exist. It is naive and ignorant to think that every single thing in the world is a simple matter of subjectivity. Orange Man Bad - it's that simple. This is the story the facts paint. Trump is evil. I don't use that word loosely; there are very few people I would apply that word to who still live. Trump is one of them. He has the power to do good or evil and he's chosen evil. He's chosen to enrich himself at the expense of others - that is, simply put, evil.

And I really don't want to hear any of this "both sides" bullshit.

[Imperialisium]

Eh well the world is shades of gray. Trump may have done bad. But he’s also done good. Such as volunteering his private jet years ago so a boy could get a life saving surgery when his parents couldn’t afford the plane ticket. Or when he loaned money to a bunch of people who were struggling with their mortgages and never took a penny in repayment. Just tore up the contract and told them to enjoy their mortgage free homes.

One can always use greater humility. But probably the greatest sign of maturity is realizing the world isn’t so black and white. Something both political parties in America could do well to learn.

Literally what the fuck is this? Like, what the fuck am I reading?

Donald Trump has spent his entire life screwing people over and deliberately letting them suffer and die just to enrich himself. He doesn't fucking care. I genuinely--genuinely--do not fucking care if he donated to charity one time or rescued a kitten from a tree another time. Doing a few cookie-cutter good deeds doesn't make up for all the scummy things he's done. No, the world isn't black and white, but some people do in fact fit into the categories of "good" and "evil". Trump falls into the latter. He has disrespected dead soldiers (including Biden's own son to his face during the debate), he has endorsed and defend white supremacists and other racists, he continues to praise and do business with Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party--who use slave labor and Orwellian-style authoritarianism to control their people and are currently orchestrating genocide--while trying to convince people he actually opposes them, he downplayed a deadly virus for months and has done nothing to control it's spread resulting in the deaths of 200,000 people which experts say is twice the number it could have been if he had actually done something not to mention the fact he's been trying to suppress information on it that contradicts his absurd claims, he has been sued multiple times on multiple accounts for discriminating against his black employees and customers (which shouldn't come as any surprise to the son of a KKK member), he's been dodging taxes for years, he has several ongoing legal cases against him in the State of New York, he has several ongoing rape allegations including the very real possibility that he has sexually molested young adolescent young girls and a history of gross and disgusting sexist and perverse comments toward women and girls including his fucking daughter, he has openly told his supporters to commit voter intimidation and fraud as he tries to find ways to rig the election, he's take a whole year's worth of vacations to his private golf courses and hotels and even charges the Secret Service to stay there so all the taxpayer money he gets as a paycheck and funds the USSS ends up going into his own bank account... bro, I could honestly go on. There's so many horrible things he has done or has been accused of that there's simply no way he can be "morally gray".

In order to be "morally gray" your good and bad deeds have to be roughly equal. Trump's bad deeds heavily outweigh his good ones, to the point they've completely broken the scale used to weigh them. A bad guy doing good things once and a while doesn't make him any less of a bad guy. Trump is, simply, evil. The vast majority of his actions and words have shown a callous disregard for human life and prosperity to the point of either complete disdain for other people or notions of superiority to others he views "beneath" him. It's not subjective to call him evil; it's what he is. He fits the definition--"profoundly immoral and wicked"--to a fucking T.

The world in general isn't black and white, no. But sometimes it can be, sometimes it is. Good v. Evil does very much exist. It is naive and ignorant to think that every single thing in the world is a simple matter of subjectivity. Orange Man Bad - it's that simple. This is the story the facts paint. Trump is evil. I don't use that word loosely; there are very few people I would apply that word to who still live. Trump is one of them. He has the power to do good or evil and he's chosen evil. He's chosen to enrich himself at the expense of others - that is, simply put, evil.

And I really don't want to hear any of this "both sides" bullshit.

Don’t really need “both sides” bullshit when you’ve posted enough for either.

[Albrenia]

Trump may have done some good things, but his list of corrupt acts is so long and vast it's kind of hard to swallow the whole 'he's just a flawed human like the rest of us' line. Downplaying a pandemic and allowing it to spread unchecked to kill hundreds of thousands of people because acting against it would look politically bad being the most major and recent such act.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

America in one month and two days: Oh god oh f**k it's President Pence

That's fine. Pence isn't like Trump, so by the time he's in charge, the election will be won for Biden and Pence won't do anything to stop it.

That being said, as before, I'm not wishing ill of course.

I know you aren't wishing Ill. Neither am I wishing Ill against him. But considering he is in a hospital right now the situation should probably start to be taken seriously. When Prime Minsiter Johnson got COVID it was a popular news story that existed for a few weeks. This will be everywhere.

[Albrenia]

I wonder how people would react if he had a real Scrooge moment, and came back form this a changed man. Seems unlikely, and I'd suspect he was faking it, but I wonder how his supporters would act if he suddenly stopped being the malicious meme machine that he usually is.

[Telconi]

I wonder how people would react if he had a real Scrooge moment, and came back form this a changed man. Seems unlikely, and I'd suspect he was faking it, but I wonder how his supporters would act if he suddenly stopped being the malicious meme machine that he usually is.

In all fairness, I don't think Donald Trump gives enough of a shit about people to justify malice.

[Thermodolia]

Two things. The press isn’t allowed to see Trump get in the helicopter, which either means it’s really really bad or Trump is super vain.

And second apparently it’s absolute hell at the White House according to aides https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherm ... 3845490688

[Des-Bal]

It's really bad. I'm calling bullshit on low grade fever and fatigue. They couldn't get him off Twitter when he was threatening war crimes but its radio silence now. He's probably fucked up.

[Major-Tom]

It's really bad. I'm calling bullshit on low grade fever and fatigue. They couldn't get him off Twitter when he was threatening war crimes but its radio silence now. He's probably fucked up.

What's strange is he was mingling in NJ yesterday evening. I don't know if he could've deteriorated that fast.

I don't trust the White House, but in this instance, he could be quite ill and just be at the Hospital for the sake of precaution (IE, not needing hospitalization, but having it on standby).

[Galloism]

Two things. The press isn’t allowed to see Trump get in the helicopter, which either means it’s really really bad or Trump is super vain.

And second apparently it’s absolute hell at the White House according to aides https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherm ... 3845490688

This doesn't feel like an "or" situation exactly.

[Thermodolia]

Two things. The press isn’t allowed to see Trump get in the helicopter, which either means it’s really really bad or Trump is super vain.

And second apparently it’s absolute hell at the White House according to aides https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherm ... 3845490688

This doesn't feel like an "or" situation exactly.

True

[Thermodolia]

Marine One is taking off.

Wolf Blitzer says this is the only time he’s seen the president being airlifted. This isn’t good