2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[No State Here]

Also I forget if this horrifying bit of news was posted.

Internal document shows Trump officials were told to make comments sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse

What's horrifying about that? It's kinda dumb legally, but there's nothing horrifying about it.

“Self defense bad” or something

[Corrian]

Wisconsin GOP sued to remove 130k from voter rolls

Aka "Republicans hate democracy case 100"

I'd say telling people to be sympathetic to a right wind murderer is pretty horrifying.

Not if you've actually bothered to read into the case and watch the footage. It's very, very clear cut self defense.

It isn't, though. You don't self-defense shoot someone in the back with a rifle.

[Kexholm Karelia]

If anything, the Rittenhouse case shows why the second amendment is so important, and why the Democrats are trying so hard to get rid of it. He wouldn’t have had the gun to save himself

[Washington Resistance Army]

It isn't, though. You don't self-defense shoot someone in the back with a rifle.

Nobody was shot in the back. Rosenbaum was shot in the head as he charged Rittenhouse, Huber was shot in the chest as he attacked Rittenhouse while he was on the ground and Grosskreutz was shot in the arm after feigning surrender and then trying to draw a weapon that he was illegally owning and carrying. Not only that but in each situation Rittenhouse was fully attempting to comply with WI's duty to retreat laws and was fleeing each time and only fired when no other options were left.

[San Lumen]

https://who13.com/news/theresa-greenfie ... wa-voters/

Theresa Greenfield Leads Joni Ernst By 12 Points in New Poll of Iowa Voters or 51-39.

[Corrian]

https://who13.com/news/theresa-greenfield-leads-joni-ernst-by-12-points-in-new-poll-of-iowa-voters/

Theresa Greenfield Leads Joni Ernst By 12 Points in New Poll of Iowa Voters or 51-39.

That has to be an outlier.

It isn't, though. You don't self-defense shoot someone in the back with a rifle.

Nobody was shot in the back. Rosenbaum was shot in the head as he charged Rittenhouse, Huber was shot in the chest as he attacked Rittenhouse while he was on the ground and Grosskreutz was shot in the arm after feigning surrender and then trying to draw a weapon that he was illegally owning and carrying. Not only that but in each situation Rittenhouse was fully attempting to comply with WI's duty to retreat laws and was fleeing each time and only fired when no other options were left.

Why have I seen multiple things saying one of the protesters got shot in the back?

[Corrian]

If anything, the Rittenhouse case shows why the second amendment is so important, and why the Democrats are trying so hard to get rid of it. He wouldn’t have had the gun to save himself

Fun fact, the people most likely to buy a gun right now are Democrats, so yeah, they sure don't want that second amendment it sounds like.

[Vassenor]

If anything, the Rittenhouse case shows why the second amendment is so important, and why the Democrats are trying so hard to get rid of it. He wouldn’t have had the gun to save himself

Remember, throwing a coke bottle at someone is a capital crime.

[Corrian]

Also, the fact that Trump was claiming Biden will drop out of the next 2 debates is exactly why the takes saying Biden should drop out of the next debates is a stupid and terrible take. It feeds right into Trump's hands.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody was shot in the back. Rosenbaum was shot in the head as he charged Rittenhouse, Huber was shot in the chest as he attacked Rittenhouse while he was on the ground and Grosskreutz was shot in the arm after feigning surrender and then trying to draw a weapon that he was illegally owning and carrying. Not only that but in each situation Rittenhouse was fully attempting to comply with WI's duty to retreat laws and was fleeing each time and only fired when no other options were left.

Why have I seen multiple things saying one of the protesters got shot in the back?

Because there's been an immense amount of misinformation floating around about the incident. Thankfully mostly everything leading up to and during the incident is now on video and pieced together. Tl;dr is Rosenbaum and a few others started a fire and Rittenhouse puts it out and that angers them and starts the pursuit which ends in Rosenbaum's death. Rittenhouse then flees and is pursued and attacked, the aforementioned stuff in the last post happens, and he flees again.

[Cannot think of a name]

Antifa's just an idea, obviously.

As if we needed more proof that Joe Biden is nothing more than a Trojan horse for the radical Left. Donald Trump has condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists on multiple occasions. Biden, tellingly, failed to condemn far-left rioters and extremists in Portland, Kenosha, and elsewhere, nor did Chris Wallace challenge him to do so in the first debate.

"Antifa's an idea." My goodness.

Joe Biden, who would probably sit comfortably in the centre/centre-right if he was a European politician, is totally a Trojan horse for the radical Left.

Either this "radical Left" is big braining so damn hard right now that they've somehow turned the centre into a Trojan horse for the "radical Left" whilst being so invisible you'd need to squint through a microscope to see it, or Biden isn't a Trojan horse for the radical Left.

Fortunately, Trump isn't smart enough to not to say the quiet part loud.

Which also means that someone smarter than him had to come up with the strategy because it's not bad.

The tact the Trump campaign is using is to accuse Biden of holding a wish list of progressive voter policies that Biden vocally ran against in the primaries. For his Trump's low information lap dogs, they get fired up...they gotta stop the communist march on Washington that will make them be friends with black people and gay marry their pets.

On the other hand, he has to force Biden to repeatedly deny that he's going to do things that we want, like universal health care or radically restructure policing etc. so that any disenfranchised Warren or Sanders supporter is reminded about why they were upset at the outcome and don't decide to show up for Biden.

He rallies his base and suppresses enthusiasm from his opponent and all he has to do is keep lying about what Biden is proposing. And since Trump is the kind of person who lies about the weather on camera and things like how much golf he plays, the fact that he's just out and out lying doesn't matter, it's not 'man bites dog.'

You can tell as Trump gave up the game during the debates. Every time he made up a progressive proposal that Biden didn't adopt and Biden said, "No, that's not my policy" Trump would bloviate "You just lost the left vote. You just lost the left vote." Which, of course, advertises what was doing when otherwise it would just look like Trump doing his regular ass loose association with the truth routine.

As the literal target for that, someone who has only voted for a major party once when I was 18, who very much did want Sanders or Warren...nah. Trump has demonstrated that he is enough of a disaster that I want it to be clear that I am specifically voting him the fuck out of office. I don't want my usual third party vote to be misinterpreted, and this year is not the Green Party's year to get that 5%. I'm voting Biden and he can take that bit of manipulation and shove straight up his ass. I haven't gotten my ballot yet, I don't know how many Green candidates are down ballot, my vote matters more to them and the party anyway.

[No State Here]

https://who13.com/news/theresa-greenfield-leads-joni-ernst-by-12-points-in-new-poll-of-iowa-voters/

Theresa Greenfield Leads Joni Ernst By 12 Points in New Poll of Iowa Voters or 51-39.

That has to be an outlier.

Nobody was shot in the back. Rosenbaum was shot in the head as he charged Rittenhouse, Huber was shot in the chest as he attacked Rittenhouse while he was on the ground and Grosskreutz was shot in the arm after feigning surrender and then trying to draw a weapon that he was illegally owning and carrying. Not only that but in each situation Rittenhouse was fully attempting to comply with WI's duty to retreat laws and was fleeing each time and only fired when no other options were left.

Why have I seen multiple things saying one of the protesters got shot in the back?

Basically you’re talking about news you don’t actually know about? I love NSG

[No State Here]

Why have I seen multiple things saying one of the protesters got shot in the back?

Because there's been an immense amount of misinformation floating around about the incident. Thankfully mostly everything leading up to and during the incident is now on video and pieced together. Tl;dr is Rosenbaum and a few others started a fire and Rittenhouse puts it out and that angers them and starts the pursuit which ends in Rosenbaum's death. Rittenhouse then flees and is pursued and attacked, the aforementioned stuff in the last post happens, and he flees again.

But self defense bad

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Also, the fact that Trump was claiming Biden will drop out of the next 2 debates is exactly why the takes saying Biden should drop out of the next debates is a stupid and terrible take. It feeds right into Trump's hands.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. It's better to allow Trump to interrupt and yell his way out of favor with moderate voters than to submit to his bullying.

If Trump starts interrupting people at the town hall style debate (which I think is the next one up, after the Harris-Pence debate), that will not play well with a lot of people.

[Vassenor]

So why does all the video show the chase not starting until after the first shooting? Or is that bad for the narratives?

[Cannot think of a name]

Also, the fact that Trump was claiming Biden will drop out of the next 2 debates is exactly why the takes saying Biden should drop out of the next debates is a stupid and terrible take. It feeds right into Trump's hands.

Well, it's Trump trying to blame Biden when Trump ducks out of the next two debates.

The groundwork is there. The commission has said that they're not gonna put up with that shit again and are making changes. Biden's campaign has said they're cool with it because holy shit that was terrible. Trump is acting like any change is rigging the debate for Biden and refuses any changes.

So the commission enacts changes because again, holy fuck...and then Trump refuses the changes and says that Biden was afraid to debate him. Now Trump is no longer in danger of going into a debate and fumbling a super easy question like 'Do you condemn white supremacy.'

[Washington Resistance Army]

So why does all the video show the chase not starting until after the first shooting? Or is that bad for the narratives?

There's two pursuits. He's first being pursued by Rosenbaum after putting out the fire he and some others sets and only fires his gun when Rosenbaum more or less has him cornered near some parked cars, he then flees and is pursued again. I know lying and misdirecting is your MO, but when we have full video it doesn't work.

[Corrian]

Because there's been an immense amount of misinformation floating around about the incident. Thankfully mostly everything leading up to and during the incident is now on video and pieced together. Tl;dr is Rosenbaum and a few others started a fire and Rittenhouse puts it out and that angers them and starts the pursuit which ends in Rosenbaum's death. Rittenhouse then flees and is pursued and attacked, the aforementioned stuff in the last post happens, and he flees again.

But self defense bad

I mean the right hasn't been consistent on self defense, either.

[Corrian]

Also, the fact that Trump was claiming Biden will drop out of the next 2 debates is exactly why the takes saying Biden should drop out of the next debates is a stupid and terrible take. It feeds right into Trump's hands.

Well, it's Trump trying to blame Biden when Trump ducks out of the next two debates.

The groundwork is there. The commission has said that they're not gonna put up with that shit again and are making changes. Biden's campaign has said they're cool with it because holy shit that was terrible. Trump is acting like any change is rigging the debate for Biden and refuses any changes.

So the commission enacts changes because again, holy fuck...and then Trump refuses the changes and says that Biden was afraid to debate him. Now Trump is no longer in danger of going into a debate and fumbling a super easy question like 'Do you condemn white supremacy.'

Then after telling Proud Boys to 'Stand back, stand by", proceeds to say that he doesn't even actually know who the Proud Boys are.

But yeah, apparently the Trump Campaign is having a sparring match with the commission now.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

I'm not sure about many of the specifics of the Rittenhouse case, since it's been developing over the past few weeks and there's been a lot of disinformation.

I'm decidedly not in favor of the decisions he made leading up to the incident. Taking a long gun into an active riot area is irresponsible, in my view. The fact that he was a minor is also concerning. Who was the owner of the gun? That hasn't been established yet, as far as I know.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Nobody was shot in the back. Rosenbaum was shot in the head as he charged Rittenhouse, Huber was shot in the chest as he attacked Rittenhouse while he was on the ground and Grosskreutz was shot in the arm after feigning surrender and then trying to draw a weapon that he was illegally owning and carrying. Not only that but in each situation Rittenhouse was fully attempting to comply with WI's duty to retreat laws and was fleeing each time and only fired when no other options were left.

Why have I seen multiple things saying one of the protesters got shot in the back?

No one got shot in the back, go spread your fake news elsewhere. The video clearly shows he only shot people who were at arm’s length and about to beat him to death.

But I guess some would want that since that’s one less Trump vote

[Kannap]

Because there's been an immense amount of misinformation floating around about the incident. Thankfully mostly everything leading up to and during the incident is now on video and pieced together. Tl;dr is Rosenbaum and a few others started a fire and Rittenhouse puts it out and that angers them and starts the pursuit which ends in Rosenbaum's death. Rittenhouse then flees and is pursued and attacked, the aforementioned stuff in the last post happens, and he flees again.

But self defense bad

In Reinoehl's case, his act of self defense ruined and ultimately ended his life

[Talvezout]

https://who13.com/news/theresa-greenfield-leads-joni-ernst-by-12-points-in-new-poll-of-iowa-voters/

Theresa Greenfield Leads Joni Ernst By 12 Points in New Poll of Iowa Voters or 51-39.

That has to be an outlier.

AFAIK, the poll wasn't weighted by education.

Still, Greenfield has consistently displayed a small, but strong lead over Ernst. The seat is still a tossup, but I'd much rather be Greenfield right now then Ernst.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

That has to be an outlier.

AFAIK, the poll wasn't weighted by education.

Still, Greenfield has consistently displayed a small, but strong lead over Ernst. The seat is still a tossup, but I'd much rather be Greenfield right now then Ernst.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/iowa/

List of polls from FiveThirtyEight, as a reference.

[Washington Resistance Army]

But self defense bad

In Reinoehl's case, his act of self defense ruined and ultimately ended his life

His case very much did not meet the requirements under Oregon law. In OR you have to fear immediate death to respond with lethal force. Someone just sprayed some mace at him and he shot and killed them. The other person committed assault, but under OR law Reinoehl pretty clearly committed murder in response.