2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Eukaryotic Cells]

...who the heck is arguing that black people should have "some kind of “free pass” from police jurisdiction"?

And considering we've seen perfectly compliant individuals having the crap beaten out of them by police, "acting civilised" isn't enough apparently.

Let's go to the literature.



Quotation from Fagan, J A and Campbell, A D (2020) Race and Reasonableness in Police Killings (Available at https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3660&context=faculty_scholarship)

The fact that the protests are explicitly focused on African Americans (hence BLM, instead of “All Lives Matter” or “Civilian Lives Matter”) says it all. The fact that the non-shifting focal point is African Americans and not all Americans who are victims of police brutality again kinda’ says it all.

That community feels like they're being unfairly targeted by police on account of their race. I think that the name is fair. If I was in charge of naming, I'd call it "Black Lives Matter Too", but anyhow.

I think that broadening the discussion out to other groups of people (all people, in fact) is good too. Everyone benefits when police departments look hard at their policies, tactics, techniques, and procedures.

[Valrifell]

Well, first of all, not sure if you've noticed, there are more white folks than black in America, hence why the latter group is often called a "minority" group. Per capita the arrest rates, stop rates, and murder rates (from police) are less friendly to that conclusion you've posited. Secondly, "white people are also getting brutalized by police" is a weak counterargument to police reform, if you'd even consider one at all. Thirdly, you have no statistics to back up your claim that African Americans are more likely to resist arrest so I will carefully put that into the "yikes" column.



That is a fun fact! That doesn't change the fact that the police shot an autistic teenager for failing to comply with directions, because they're autistic! But go off, you're really wrecking us with your facts and logic!!

“Yikes column”? Snowflake alert.

No facts? Watch videos. Read non-biased news articles. That’s all I have to say on that.

Yes, believe it or not, it is generally considered "bad" to imply that black people are more violent and more non-compliant than white people without any supporting information.

Delicious, a non-response. A little too salty, though.

[Valrifell]

The fact that the protests are explicitly focused on African Americans (hence BLM, instead of “All Lives Matter” or “Civilian Lives Matter”) says it all. The fact that the non-shifting focal point is African Americans and not all Americans who are victims of police brutality again kinda’ says it all.

That community feels like they're being unfairly targeted by police on account of their race. I think that the name is fair. If I was in charge of naming, I'd call it "Black Lives Matter Too", but anyhow.

The "Too" is and always has been implied, the only people who don't see it that way aren't engaging in good faith discussion.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

The fact that the protests are explicitly focused on African Americans (hence BLM, instead of “All Lives Matter” or “Civilian Lives Matter”) says it all. The fact that the non-shifting focal point is African Americans and not all Americans who are victims of police brutality again kinda’ says it all.

That community feels like they're being unfairly targeted by police on account of their race. I think that the name is fair. If I was in charge of naming, I'd call it "Black Lives Matter Too", but anyhow.

I think that broadening the discussion out to other groups of people (all people, in fact) is good too. Everyone benefits when police departments look hard at their policies, tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Hate to double post, but I also gotta say that many people view "All Lives Matter" as being a kind of deflection tactic. Instead of talking about difficult issues, it's easier to say something like that. I can see that point of view as well.

[Vassenor]

...who the heck is arguing that black people should have "some kind of “free pass” from police jurisdiction"?

And considering we've seen perfectly compliant individuals having the crap beaten out of them by police, "acting civilised" isn't enough apparently.

Let's go to the literature.



Quotation from Fagan, J A and Campbell, A D (2020) Race and Reasonableness in Police Killings (Available at https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3660&context=faculty_scholarship)

The fact that the protests are explicitly focused on African Americans (hence BLM, instead of “All Lives Matter” or “Civilian Lives Matter”) says it all. The fact that the non-shifting focal point is African Americans and not all Americans who are victims of police brutality again kinda’ says it all.

So when are you going to All Lives Matter the Blue Lives Matter crowd? And are you actually going to address the points in the post rather than deflect and dodge?

[Valrifell]

That community feels like they're being unfairly targeted by police on account of their race. I think that the name is fair. If I was in charge of naming, I'd call it "Black Lives Matter Too", but anyhow.

I think that broadening the discussion out to other groups of people (all people, in fact) is good too. Everyone benefits when police departments look hard at their policies, tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Hate to double post, but I also gotta say that many people view "All Lives Matter" as being a kind of deflection tactic.

Because it is a deflection tactic.

Black Lives Matter and associated acts are the ones talking about police reform, which impacts everyone affected by police issues. All Lives Matter and associated acts are more likely to be thin-blue line people, who display a shocking lack of concern with any actual lives.

[Rusozak]

...who the heck is arguing that black people should have "some kind of “free pass” from police jurisdiction"?

And considering we've seen perfectly compliant individuals having the crap beaten out of them by police, "acting civilised" isn't enough apparently.

Let's go to the literature.



Quotation from Fagan, J A and Campbell, A D (2020) Race and Reasonableness in Police Killings (Available at https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3660&context=faculty_scholarship)

The fact that the protests are explicitly focused on African Americans (hence BLM, instead of “All Lives Matter” or “Civilian Lives Matter”) says it all. The fact that the non-shifting focal point is African Americans and not all Americans who are victims of police brutality again kinda’ says it all.

And yet there is a disproportionate problem with police brutality in the African American community. And I here I am yet again having to explain that BLM does not mean "(only) black lives matter" as opponents love to believe but "black lives matter (too)", or to put it like those ads do, "All lives can't matter until black lives matter." It's highlighting a specific problem of the black community being ignored when it comes to issues of equal and fair treatment.

[San Lumen]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... s-n1241690

Biden leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

[Vassenor]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Bidne leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

But Trump held the flag once and claimed to be the greatest ally we could ever ask for. Why isn't he leading then? </s>

[The Huskar Social Union]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Bidne leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

Absolutely no surprise there

[San Lumen]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Bidne leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

Absolutely no surprise there

agreed but figured it was worth sharing a scientific poll as opposed to the garbage Hornet poll from a few weeks ago.

[Major-Tom]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Bidne leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

But Trump held the flag once and claimed to be the greatest ally we could ever ask for. Why isn't he leading then? </s>

Especially with Eric Trump now being a leading member of the LGBT Community.

[The Black Forrest]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Biden leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

Kind of a DUH report.

It’s the same as announcing 99% of the Proud Boys will vote for trump

[Washington Resistance Army]

America is about to enter its Years of Lead.

It's not as much of a doomer article as the title might suggest, both America in the past and most of the other western democracies have had similar violent campaigns break out for varying degrees of time (the aforementioned Years of Lead, the Troubles and Dissident campaign etc etc) but have still survived. But the past several years have all but ensured that in the event of a Biden victory (which lets be real, he's going to win) there's going to be at least some degree of violence, especially with Trump spreading the fraud narrative and all but giving permission for violence during the last debate in the case of a Republican defeat.

Interesting times are ahead, that's for sure.

[Corrian]

https://twitter.com/chucklindell/status/1311718569189806089

Governor Abbott of Texas is doing some pretty blatant jury-rigging for the GOP.

Limiting things to counties only having 1 dropoff place per county.

Of course, the tiny Texan counties with only 1000 people or so will be fine and will still vote GOP, but the populous and minority dense counties like Harris and Travis are gonna be negatively affected.

Fucking hate the GOP. Until they stop clearly showing disdain for people voting because all they care about is their power, they can go to hell.

[Thermodolia]

America is about to enter its Years of Lead.

It's not as much of a doomer article as the title might suggest, both America in the past and most of the other western democracies have had similar violent campaigns break out for varying degrees of time (the aforementioned Years of Lead, the Troubles and Dissident campaign etc etc) but have still survived. But the past several years have all but ensured that in the event of a Biden victory (which lets be real, he's going to win) there's going to be at least some degree of violence, especially with Trump spreading the fraud narrative and all but giving permission for violence during the last debate in the case of a Republican defeat.

Interesting times are ahead, that's for sure.

Depending on how it goes it could end very very badly for the GOP. Though I feel that it’s more likely that there will be no clear winner as the left is arming faster than the right at this point.

[Necroghastia]

I also don't understand what the hooplah over this is.

Why does it matter if it's a monolithic group or a loose collection of smaller groups? We should listen to our law enforcement and counter-terrorism experts instead of turning it into a political issue.

Exactly. Both sides should condemn extremists on both sides. Biden refused to specifically condemn Antifa as a far-left, Marxist movement that murders Trump supporters in cold blood. One side conspicuously refuses to listen to law enforcement and opposes sending federal assistance to cities devastated by leftist, racist riots.

Probably because all of those accusations that you just laid out are, put simply, full of shit.
Honestly, for as much as you make out like you care about Hong Kong, it's frankly insulting that you cannot seem to see that your rhetoric has more in common with pro-CCP sentiment.

[Corrian]

Antifa's just an idea, obviously.

As if we needed more proof that Joe Biden is nothing more than a Trojan horse for the radical Left. Donald Trump has condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists on multiple occasions. Biden, tellingly, failed to condemn far-left rioters and extremists in Portland, Kenosha, and elsewhere, nor did Chris Wallace challenge him to do so in the first debate.

"Antifa's an idea." My goodness.

Antifa IS just an idea and not a group, so he's not even wrong. And the idea that Biden's a part of the radical left is the most laughable and bullshit thing its hilarious. I bet you most of the "Radical left" and protesters hate both Biden and Trump. The radical left WISHES Biden was on their side.

[Valrifell]

Antifa's just an idea, obviously.

As if we needed more proof that Joe Biden is nothing more than a Trojan horse for the radical Left. Donald Trump has condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists on multiple occasions. Biden, tellingly, failed to condemn far-left rioters and extremists in Portland, Kenosha, and elsewhere, nor did Chris Wallace challenge him to do so in the first debate.

"Antifa's an idea." My goodness.

Antifa IS just an idea and not a group, so he's not even wrong. And the idea that Biden's a part of the radical left is the most laughable and bullshit thing its hilarious. I bet you most of the "Radical left" and protesters hate both Biden and Trump. The radical left WISHES Biden was on their side.

The radical left, to a distressing amount of Americans, is anyone to the left of Donald Trump.

What an awful and terrible world we live in.

[Corrian]

This is your daily reminder that Trump gassed peaceful protesters on June 2nd 2020 for a photo op.

No mater what your politics or if you agreed with the protesters this was a blatant attack on free speech. The man should not be president and needs to be voted out in the next election.

Define “peaceful”.

I know the definition but a majority of protesters do not.

The idea that the majority of protesters aren't peaceful is also idiotic and laughable.

[Corrian]

I also don't understand what the hooplah over this is.

Why does it matter if it's a monolithic group or a loose collection of smaller groups? We should listen to our law enforcement and counter-terrorism experts instead of turning it into a political issue.

Exactly. Both sides should condemn extremists on both sides. Biden refused to specifically condemn Antifa as a far-left, Marxist movement that murders Trump supporters in cold blood. One side conspicuously refuses to listen to law enforcement and opposes sending federal assistance to cities devastated by leftist, racist riots.

These cities aren't even as "Devastated" as everyone seems to keep claiming they are. You all really do live in an alternate reality.

[Corrian]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Biden leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

How do 17% of LGBT voters support Trump?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Antifa IS just an idea and not a group, so he's not even wrong. And the idea that Biden's a part of the radical left is the most laughable and bullshit thing its hilarious. I bet you most of the "Radical left" and protesters hate both Biden and Trump. The radical left WISHES Biden was on their side.

The radical left, to a distressing amount of Americans, is anyone to the left of Donald Trump.

What an awful and terrible world we live in.

Thats what a failure of education does for you honestly. Any notion Biden is "radical left" is mind boggling stupid

[Corrian]

America is about to enter its Years of Lead.

It's not as much of a doomer article as the title might suggest, both America in the past and most of the other western democracies have had similar violent campaigns break out for varying degrees of time (the aforementioned Years of Lead, the Troubles and Dissident campaign etc etc) but have still survived. But the past several years have all but ensured that in the event of a Biden victory (which lets be real, he's going to win) there's going to be at least some degree of violence, especially with Trump spreading the fraud narrative and all but giving permission for violence during the last debate in the case of a Republican defeat.

Interesting times are ahead, that's for sure.

Fuuuun times. I have the distinct feeling, even out of office, Trump won't actually shut the fuck up, either.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/three-quarters-lgbtq-voters-back-joe-biden-glaad-poll-finds-n1241690

Biden leads 75-17 with LGBT voters.

How do 17% of LGBT voters support Trump?

Some LGBT voters have conservative opinions on things like the economy. Trump doesn't actively go out and hate on them, and throws them a bone every once in a while with his speeches. His appointment of Richard Grenell as acting DNI was historic, although I think Grenell is a horrible person and was unqualified for the position.