2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Northern Davincia]

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

Tell that to the Proud Boys.

They are more aware of the fact than most. Right-wing extremism has many flavors.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

That's the most interesting part. I don't think even for a moment Trump has any actual connection with them personally, but he did give them more exposure than they've probably ever gotten.

[San Lumen]

When he said "Proud Boys, stand by"

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

The quote was "stand back and stand by."

To a group that is not white supremacist. Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

[Washington Resistance Army]

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

To a group that is not white supremacist. Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

[Cisairse]

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

Black men can't be racist?

[Cisairse]

I've had my ballot now for some days and still have not decided who to vote for.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

Black men can't be racist?

Oh no they can be. NoI and NBPP are proof of that. But it kinda damages the idea of the Proud Boys being a white supremacist group when they're seemingly more racially diverse than the usual purely white suburban kids that make up Antifa crowds.

[San Lumen]

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

They are at the very least a fascist organization and dont allow women to join.

[Northern Davincia]

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

Black men can't be racist?

I suppose they can, but we have no reason to suspect that for the individual in question.

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

To a group that is not white supremacist. Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

Are you asking me to prove a negative claim?

[Northern Davincia]

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

They are at the very least a fascist organization and dont allow women to join.

Every gentlemen's club on Earth is not a fascist organization. Some spaces are reserved for men, and there's nothing wrong with that. What makes them fascist?

[Aureumterra III]

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

To a group that is not white supremacist. Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

[Sundiata]

Friends, the first 2020 presidential debate made me angry.

Same. Disgraceful shit show.

The moderator should have both mics turned off, and only turn one on when it's someone's turn to speak.

Metaphorically speaking, they ate his lunch.

[Ifreann]

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

Tell that to the Proud Boys.

NS Right Wingers: "Proud Boys aren't white supremacists"
Proud Boys: "Day of the rope confirmed!"

[Northern Davincia]

Tell that to the Proud Boys.

NS Right Wingers: "Proud Boys aren't white supremacists"
Proud Boys: "Day of the rope confirmed!"

[citation needed]

[Cordel One]

As discussed earlier, Proud Boys are neither fascist nor white supremacist.

To a group that is not white supremacist. Also, it's not a dog whistle if it's a command.

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

[San Lumen]

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

You just gave the proof. There is nothing for me to prove.

[Cordel One]

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

You just gave the proof. There is nothing for me to prove.

I just did, but while you're absolutely right that the Proud Boys are white supremacists it's bad debating to ask someone to prove something's not true when you don't give evidence that it is.

[Northern Davincia]

They are a white supremacist neo nazi group. You have proof they are not?

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

The ADL is questionable at the best of times. The source denies that the group is white nationalist or fascist, only some members hold those affiliations.

[Kedri]

Yeah their leader is a black guy and they accept people of every race lol. As ND said, right wing extremism has many flavors, and only a few are racist.

Black men can't be racist?

They can, but it wouldn't make much sense for a black man to be a white supremacist.

[Cannot think of a name]

So, when Pence and Harris have an adult debate...the top of the ticket isn't able to get through a debate without throwing his toys all over the room...will the VP debate end up having to fill in as the one people can actually fucking watch?

Very bold of you to assume that VP Pence and Sen. Harris are going to have an adult debate

VP Pence has his political career on the line in a way he never has before, and Sen. Harris has a lot to prove

Ah, I see the problem here. You seem to have come down with a case of Trump Normalization Syndrome. After four years of having a moronic baboon who smears poop all over himself you've come to accept this as the 'new normal' and so two career politicians who understand their jobs and know how to behave having a contentious debate will seem similar to a fucking man child with the temperament of shitty 12 year old.

Having seen a debate before in my life conducted by a pair of adults, I fully expect them to disagree and fight for their positions. They might even talk over each other from time to time or challenge the moderator. Neither of them, however, will be the poop flinging shitshow that we saw last night because Donald Trump is unique in his complete incapacity to act in a matter befitting his position. He is not the 'new normal', he is a hurricane level disaster that will leave lasting effects, but the bar he sets is his own.

[Major-Tom]

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

The ADL is questionable at the best of times. The source denies that the group is white nationalist or fascist, only some members hold those affiliations.

Yeah, no, that's kinda a stretch dude. Gavin McInnes, who himself has openly embraced the far-right and alt-right mantel/label, even disavowed himself from the Proud Boys over their explicit white nationalism. That alone should really be quite telling, as should any real-world encounters with the Proud Boys. Have you met these guys in real life? They are clear cut white supremacists.

The Proud Boys as an org/movement may not explicitly claim white nationalism, but you see it from a bulk of their supporters.

[Fartsniffage]

Black men can't be racist?

They can, but it wouldn't make much sense for a black man to be a white supremacist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNDqxrUUwQ

[Rusozak]

You're pretty much right about the Proud Boys but the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... oud-boys-0

The ADL is questionable at the best of times. The source denies that the group is white nationalist or fascist, only some members hold those affiliations.

Still an Islamophobic misogynistic transphobic hate group the president of the United States just told to "stand by" like he has plans to use them. As for white supremacy, well it's a bit ironic that the right is now using the "they're not all like that" defense after months of calling every single BLM member a Marxist black supremacist.

[Major-Tom]

The ADL is questionable at the best of times. The source denies that the group is white nationalist or fascist, only some members hold those affiliations.

Still an Islamophobic misogynistic transphobic hate group the president of the United States just told to "stand by" like he has plans to use them. As for white supremacy, well it's a bit ironic that the right is now using the "they're not all like that" defense after months of calling every single BLM member a Marxist black supremacist.

The Proud Boys reacted, mind you. They are taking that seriously.

I don't care what conservatives here think about the mirage of the "radical, violent left" or whatever they choose to believe in, but they should recognize Biden isn't trying to stoke and fuel violence through them. He can disavow defunding the police, disavow socialism, and totally disavow left-wing violence as we saw last night. And Trump can't even disavow white supremacy?

How is this a difficult choice?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Proud Boys are ideologically vile. Whether or not they're white nationalists makes very little difference.

At most, this was a mistake by the moderator: picking a name Trump would recognize, rather than a less visible group known to be 100% white nationalists.

Trump saying "who?" would be just about the best result for him. Of course he couldn't fake it (Trump knows everything, except unimportant stuff that no-one knows) so being genuinely unaware of a named white supremacist group would be a good look!