2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[San Lumen]

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

The us and state constitutions are clear about who is eligible. You cannot add ideology or beliefs to that without violating the first amendment and possibly the 14th.

You sure as Hell can if it threatens the very existence and lives of this country and the people who live in it, which is what the American Nazi Party essentially is

No you cannot. Qualifications to run are very clear and the ones you want to add violate the first amendment and possibly the 14th. No matter how reprehensible their beliefs are they have a constitutional right to run for office.
If a literal Nazi gets the nomination should be denied ballot access? He or she would sue in court and almost any judge would have ruled said person must be placed on the ballot.

[Telconi]

You sure as Hell can if it threatens the very existence and lives of this country and the people who live in it, which is what the American Nazi Party essentially is

No you cannot. Qualifications to run are very clear and the ones you want to add violate the first amendment and possibly the 14th. No matter how reprehensible their beliefs are they have a constitutional right to run for office.
If a literal Nazi who gets the nomination should be denied ballot access? He or she would sue in court and almost any judge would have ruled said person must be placed on the ballot.

Got some sauce on this, because states can and have done this before.

[Dresderstan]

You sure as Hell can if it threatens the very existence and lives of this country and the people who live in it, which is what the American Nazi Party essentially is

No you cannot. Qualifications to run are very clear and the ones you want to add violate the first amendment and possibly the 14th. No matter how reprehensible their beliefs are they have a constitutional right to run for office.
If a literal Nazi gets the nomination should be denied ballot access? He or she would sue in court and almost any judge would have ruled said person must be placed on the ballot.

Yes you can. And both Amendments are both vague if not even wrong in that regard. No they don't.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No you cannot. Qualifications to run are very clear and the ones you want to add violate the first amendment and possibly the 14th. No matter how reprehensible their beliefs are they have a constitutional right to run for office.
If a literal Nazi who gets the nomination should be denied ballot access? He or she would sue in court and almost any judge would have ruled said person must be placed on the ballot.

Got some sauce on this, because states can and have done this before.

Some asshole state might have tried it, doesn't mean they're still allowed to now.

You should actually be proud that democracy in your country allows anyone to run for office. Almost anyone. Adult, citizen, not previously impeached ...

[Telconi]

Got some sauce on this, because states can and have done this before.

Some asshole state might have tried it, doesn't mean they're still allowed to now.

You should actually be proud that democracy in your country allows anyone to run for office. Almost anyone. Adult, citizen, not previously impeached ...

Law's still on the books, we even managed to defeat the bill to repeal it a few years back.

I shouldn't.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No you cannot. Qualifications to run are very clear and the ones you want to add violate the first amendment and possibly the 14th. No matter how reprehensible their beliefs are they have a constitutional right to run for office.
If a literal Nazi gets the nomination should be denied ballot access? He or she would sue in court and almost any judge would have ruled said person must be placed on the ballot.

Yes you can. And both Amendments are both vague if not even wrong in that regard. No they don't.

Uh-huh. You understand that saying an Amendment is "vague" begs the question of how you think it should be interpreted ... and implying it is "wrong" invalidates any opinion you might then pronounce?

[Kannap]

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

Courts say otherwise. We’ve had this discussion before. If they did and they meet the requirements of the office there is no legal way whatsoever to stop them from taking the oath.

And you don't think that's a problem?

[Kannap]

And they're wrong, and so are you. Other than the fact the party is the definition of standing against all the values America allegedly champions, and most of us would be killed, you wouldn't stand for it, and neither would I, ergo they should be banned.

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

Yes, next

[Dumb Ideologies]

What do you mean so? The only way to ban political parties would be via constitutional amendment as there is no other legal way to do without running afoul of the first amendment.

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

If the American Nazi Party won the election despite the massively negative historical connotations that name carries then American democracy would already have long failed.

[Kannap]

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

If the American Nazi Party won the election despite the massively negative historical connotations that name carries then American democracy would already have long failed.

American democracy has already failed.

[Telconi]

If the American Nazi Party won the election despite the massively negative historical connotations that name carries then American democracy would already have long failed.

American democracy has already failed.

Or at least is failing as we speak.

[Aureumterra III]

If the American Nazi Party won the election despite the massively negative historical connotations that name carries then American democracy would already have long failed.

American democracy has already failed.

The richest and most powerful country on Earth?

[Dumb Ideologies]

If the American Nazi Party won the election despite the massively negative historical connotations that name carries then American democracy would already have long failed.

American democracy has already failed.

Great, better work on replacing it with something better then.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Not even Korea?

The War with America's brutal bombing campaign in North Korea? Yeah, no.

That was completely justified

[The Reformed American Republic]

Not even Korea?

The War with America's brutal bombing campaign in North Korea? Yeah, no.

Sympathetic to the Norks much? They started the war.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Some asshole state might have tried it, doesn't mean they're still allowed to now.

You should actually be proud that democracy in your country allows anyone to run for office. Almost anyone. Adult, citizen, not previously impeached ...

Law's still on the books,

Well that's another thing that is shit about US law and particularly state law, is that law "on the books" which has been ruled invalid by a court, gone through all appeals, and is completely unenforceable ... stays on the books because sullen legislatures can't admit that they previously passed a useless piece of shit unconstitutional law. If some upstart complains that buggery or women riding astride a horse are still illegal "on the books", they're waved away by cowards and bigots who dread making the news for "legalizing pederasty" or "bestiality now legal ... but only for women!!" The more controversial it is, they less they want anything to do with striking it out of the book.

Sorry about the rave. Law being on the book does not mean a damn thing. Read the footnotes.

we even managed to defeat the bill to repeal it a few years back.

I shouldn't.

No, you should. An ideal democracy would allow all citizens to vote (including felons and children), and also allow them the widest possible choice of representatives. Including felons, children, and foreigners.

[Kannap]

American democracy has already failed.

The richest and most powerful country on Earth?

Is fine if you're in a position of power or among the wealthy. But for the overwhelming majority of Americans, this country is a shithole to live in.

[Kexholm Karelia]

The War with America's brutal bombing campaign in North Korea? Yeah, no.

Sympathetic to the Norks much? They started the war.

That is correct the Korean war started when the communist North invaded the South, but Chinese leftist revisionism has tried to reverse the roles and make it like Vietnam, and even some people in the West fall for it

[Dumb Ideologies]

The War with America's brutal bombing campaign in North Korea? Yeah, no.

Sympathetic to the Norks much? They started the war.

Yes Norks have started many a brawl over the years. Keep your eyes up.

[Dresderstan]

Law's still on the books,

Well that's another thing that is shit about US law and particularly state law, is that law "on the books" which has been ruled invalid by a court, gone through all appeals, and is completely unenforceable ... stays on the books because sullen legislatures can't admit that they previously passed a useless piece of shit unconstitutional law. If some upstart complains that buggery or women riding astride a horse are still illegal "on the books", they're waved away by cowards and bigots who dread making the news for "legalizing pederasty" or "bestiality now legal ... but only for women!!" The more controversial it is, they less they want anything to do with striking it out of the book.

Sorry about the rave. Law being on the book does not mean a damn thing. Read the footnotes.

we even managed to defeat the bill to repeal it a few years back.

I shouldn't.

No, you should. An ideal democracy would allow all citizens to vote (including felons and children), and also allow them the widest possible choice of representatives. Including felons, children, and foreigners.

No, not really, not every deserves a voice.

[Kowani]

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It's not a major concern to me, actually. Because Democrats since Obama have been favored by it. I will sit back and wait until the right wing who assumed it would favor them because most rich fucks are right wing, get it into their head that there are two kinds of rich fuck: the left wing kind who care enough to throw some money at social causes ... and the right wing kind who don't give a fuck about anyone else and would rather keep their money in investments. They'll be like "I whored every orifice I had for Trump, please master just a little bit back?" and their kind of rich fuck will be like "who the hell do you think you are? Stay away from me. Security!"

Wow that was a short timeframe.

I expect you will be with us in ending this practice, then.

[Major-Tom]

American democracy has already failed.

The richest and most powerful country on Earth?

I suspect you overestimate us. Not all powerhouses live forever, and yes, democracy is very much failing here as we speak. A country can have unprecedented superpower status and still fail.

[Cannot think of a name]

Every once in while this thread starts to sound like people trying to get laid in the common room of a dorm.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Every once in while this thread starts to sound like people trying to get laid in the common room of a dorm.

Was it people getting their Norks out a few posts ago?

[San Lumen]

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

Yes, next

and such a law would be blatantly unconstitutional and would be struck down in court. Freedom of speech applies to everyone not just speech you agree with. Every citizen has a right to run for office regardless of their beliefs.