2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[West Leas Oros 2]

No where in the vague wording of the constitution does it say anything about political parties?

Banning political parties would be a violation of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

One could argue letting massive corporations dump their money onto politicians is a form of free speech, and yet a lot of people want money out of politics.

[Nuroblav]

One could argue letting massive corporations dump their money onto politicians is a form of free speech, and yet a lot of people want money out of politics.

Good point. My pretitle ain't 'haha money go bye bye' for nothing

[Heloin]

Unless your proposing a new radical form of direct democracy and people's soviets then you'll always end up with political parties if you want a democracy. People will work together to get what they want done.

council communism with worker's councils and the proletariat being the ruling class would be sexy.

Until you get that down, you won't be able to ban parties because they'll always reform in some way.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Nahh. We already have enough morons with guns (like the person cranking of rounds in the parking lot and the one who threatened my mother).....

Your loss, but I'm not going to take away the opportunity from everyone else.

Ah, opportunity. You're talking my language. Guns should be free, right? Government should pay for at least one gun, for everyone.

[Heloin]

Your loss, but I'm not going to take away the opportunity from everyone else.

Ah, opportunity. You're talking my language. Guns should be free, right? Government should pay for at least one gun, for everyone.

A gun in every pot and two tanks in every garage.

[Dresderstan]

So? Nothing of value would be lost by banning political parties.

Did you not read what I wrote? It would violate the first amendment. We can’t throw out the constitution just because you want to.

I'm not thinking of what I want, I'm thinking of what is best for the people and this country, and political parties, and rich mega corporations and the "free press" are ruining it, and you don't help at all.

[Telconi]

That's a shame.

Its freedom of speech. There is no legal way you could abolish parties with violating the first amendment. You can make elections non partisan. Some judicial elections and municipal elections do that. For example all Chicago city elections are non partisan by law. The Nebraska Senate is also a non partisan election.

Our city elections are 'non-partisan' but everyone knows which party the candidates belong to. Functionally it doesn't change a thing.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Ah, opportunity. You're talking my language. Guns should be free, right? Government should pay for at least one gun, for everyone.

A gun in every pot and two tanks in every garage.

What if you only have space for one tank in your garage?

[Telconi]

Your loss, but I'm not going to take away the opportunity from everyone else.

Ah, opportunity. You're talking my language. Guns should be free, right? Government should pay for at least one gun, for everyone.

Yes.

[Telconi]

Banning political parties would be a violation of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

One could argue letting massive corporations dump their money onto politicians is a form of free speech, and yet a lot of people want money out of politics.

Isn't there a court case that said just that?

[San Lumen]

Did you not read what I wrote? It would violate the first amendment. We can’t throw out the constitution just because you want to.

Not because we want to, but because its the right thing to do, and maybe because we want to

The first amendment says otherwise. Registering with a party is protected by the first amendment.

[Dresderstan]

Not because we want to, but because its the right thing to do, and maybe because we want to

The first amendment says otherwise. Registering with a party is protected by the first amendment.

So?

[Heloin]

A gun in every pot and two tanks in every garage.

What if you only have space for one tank in your garage?

You spend all the money you just saved on two free tanks on a bigger garage.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A gun in every pot and two tanks in every garage.

What if you only have space for one tank in your garage?

Government will pay for another garage, duh.

But apartment dwellers won't be forgotten. They get a helicopter, which they can park on the roof of their block, which will be ...

Sorry, the Senate needs to retire now. Passed.

[San Lumen]

The first amendment says otherwise. Registering with a party is protected by the first amendment.

So?

What do you mean so? The only way to ban political parties would be via constitutional amendment as there is no other legal way to do without running afoul of the first amendment.

[Dresderstan]

So?

What do you mean so? The only way to ban political parties would be via constitutional amendment as there is no other legal way to do without running afoul of the first amendment.

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

[San Lumen]

What do you mean so? The only way to ban political parties would be via constitutional amendment as there is no other legal way to do without running afoul of the first amendment.

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

Courts say otherwise. We’ve had this discussion before. If they did and they meet the requirements of the office there is no legal way whatsoever to stop them from taking the oath.

[Telconi]

So?

What do you mean so? The only way to ban political parties would be via constitutional amendment as there is no other legal way to do without running afoul of the first amendment.

Nonsense, rights aren't unlimited.

[Dresderstan]

Well the constitution is wrong, it should not protect political entities and corporations and their interests. Would you be fine if the American Nazi Party won an election or would you be calling for them to be banned?

Courts say otherwise. We’ve had this discussion before. If they did and they meet the requirements of the office there is no legal way whatsoever to stop them from taking the oath.

And they're wrong, and so are you. Other than the fact the party is the definition of standing against all the values America allegedly champions, and most of us would be killed, you wouldn't stand for it, and neither would I, ergo they should be banned.

[San Lumen]

Courts say otherwise. We’ve had this discussion before. If they did and they meet the requirements of the office there is no legal way whatsoever to stop them from taking the oath.

And they're wrong, and so are you. Other than the fact the party is the definition of standing against all the values America allegedly champions, and most of us would be killed, you wouldn't stand for it, and neither would I, ergo they should be banned.

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

The us and state constitutions are clear about who is eligible. You cannot add ideology or beliefs to that without violating the first amendment and possibly the 14th.

[Telconi]

And they're wrong, and so are you. Other than the fact the party is the definition of standing against all the values America allegedly champions, and most of us would be killed, you wouldn't stand for it, and neither would I, ergo they should be banned.

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

The us and state constitutions are clear about who is eligible. You cannot add ideology or beliefs to that without violating the first amendment and possibly the 14th.

Sure you can. We banned people from conspiring to commit murder without an amendment.

[San Lumen]

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

The us and state constitutions are clear about who is eligible. You cannot add ideology or beliefs to that without violating the first amendment and possibly the 14th.

Sure you can. We banned people from conspiring to commit murder without an amendment.

No you cannot. Convicted felons after their sentence is up can run in many states. The mayor of Bridgeport, CT is a convicted felon.

[Dresderstan]

And they're wrong, and so are you. Other than the fact the party is the definition of standing against all the values America allegedly champions, and most of us would be killed, you wouldn't stand for it, and neither would I, ergo they should be banned.

Anyone who espouse racist and bigoted beliefs should be denied ballot access or prevented from taking office?

The us and state constitutions are clear about who is eligible. You cannot add ideology or beliefs to that without violating the first amendment and possibly the 14th.

You sure as Hell can if it threatens the very existence and lives of this country and the people who live in it, which is what the American Nazi Party essentially is

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Banning political parties would be a violation of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

One could argue letting massive corporations dump their money onto politicians is a form of free speech, and yet a lot of people want money out of politics.

If you're thinking of Citizens United v Federal Elections Commission I think it only related to public spending going to superPACs, while the laws requiring donations by individuals to party election campaigns to be limited by individual and declared, remained intact.

I'm sure there are illegal donations (bribes) paid to politicians, but that's another matter. The majority of money going into campaigns now is legal, to campaigns still (and legally declared) but also to independent "citizen" non-profits that just happen to align very closely to political parties.

It's not a major concern to me, actually. Because Democrats since Obama have been favored by it. I will sit back and wait until the right wing who assumed it would favor them because most rich fucks are right wing, get it into their head that there are two kinds of rich fuck: the left wing kind who care enough to throw some money at social causes ... and the right wing kind who don't give a fuck about anyone else and would rather keep their money in investments. They'll be like "I whored every orifice I had for Trump, please master just a little bit back?" and their kind of rich fuck will be like "who the hell do you think you are? Stay away from me. Security!"

[Telconi]

Sure you can. We banned people from conspiring to commit murder without an amendment.

No you cannot. Convicted felons after their sentence is up can run in many states. The mayor of Bridgeport, CT is a convicted felon.

You don't know that. Which isn't relevant to anything.