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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Too Early to Say
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Total votes : 168

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Postby Ngelmish » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Hopefully. I'm operating under the assumption that there may be up to a 5 point polling error in favor of Trump in some of these states.

If Biden maintains this lead, I think he'll probably win. If the race starts tightening up to the point where these crucial states are only +3 or +4 for Biden, I think Trump has a shot at winning. We'll see what happens I guess.

We shall see Biden is in best position for a challenger since Carter I think.


Given that Carter barely eked out a win against a weak incumbent, that's not actually that encouraging for Biden.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:They aren't popular because the establishment media takes every opportunity to feed lies about them and boost their hegemony.


You have evidence of that claim?

Name me one mainstream news source that isn't owned by a large media conglomerate.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:18 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
You have evidence of that claim?

Name me one mainstream news source that isn't owned by a large media conglomerate.

That isn't evidence.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:20 pm

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Nuroblav wrote:Fairly certain that there have NSers who were involved with political parties in some way, although I can't remember who exactly.

Considering this is a political discussion board, that makes sense, I would imagine people interested in politics enough to spend time discussing it here to also be interested enough to join a party and run for office

Aureumterra was running for a city council position, if I remember correctly.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:20 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
No State Here wrote:Considering this is a political discussion board, that makes sense, I would imagine people interested in politics enough to spend time discussing it here to also be interested enough to join a party and run for office

Aureumterra was running for a city council position, if I remember correctly.

They are? That's awesome.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:21 pm

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Name me one mainstream news source that isn't owned by a large media conglomerate.

That isn't evidence.

Yes it is. It's in the media conglomerates best interests to side with the dominant parties.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:22 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:That isn't evidence.

Yes it is. It's in the media conglomerates best interests to side with the dominant parties.

No it isn't. USA today is owned by a large conglomerate and its quite centrist.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:22 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:If I'm Trump heading into these debates, I would focus on the following:

1) Hit Biden on trade policy. This is one area where Biden is vulnerable, and it's important in several battleground states.

Counterpunch on how much Trump’s rearranging deck chairs ended up hurting farmers and other workers in those key areas and how much of Trump’s focus was on flattery rather than results.

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2) Try to provoke gaffes or mumbling from Biden. Carefully study if there's anything which triggers this.

No set up or counterpunch needed here, just wait for some absolutely batshit thing to come out of Trump’s mouth on purpose that will easily overshadow a guy with a stutter making an awkward word choice.

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
3) Try to survive the round of questions about COVID. Don't let Biden beat you over the head with this.

Beat Trump over the head with his absolutely terrible response to COVID and its ever increasing death count while the president instead focuses on other shit and pretend the pandemic is over.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Yes it is. It's in the media conglomerates best interests to side with the dominant parties.

No it isn't. USA today is owned by a large conglomerate and its quite centrist.

Thats the thing about centrism, centrism, by it's nature, supports the status quo. Name me one centrist who supports a third party.
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So she'll be the person we have to suffer with for decades then. Great.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:30 pm

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/202 ... 791462002/

David Armstrong the GOP candidate running for the 75th Assembly district in Wisconsin posted a video featuring ex-KKK leader David Duke and tweets in support of Confederate flag and Arm The Republicans attract all the crazy people. This is a very rural and red district north of Eau Claire and its very likely he will win.
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Postby Aureumterra III » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Aureumterra was running for a city council position, if I remember correctly.

They are? That's awesome.

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Didn’t get nominated during the delegation votes for the party, I didn’t expect to either, since there were longtime solidified party members there, but I have established myself and will probably run again next time

Iceland’s election systems are very different
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:39 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are? That's awesome.

*Was

Didn’t get nominated during the delegation votes for the party, I didn’t expect to either, since there were longtime solidified party members there, but I have established myself and will probably run again next time

Iceland’s election systems are very different

sorry to hear that. I hope you do run again next time. Im thinking of running for city council in 2021.
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Nejii wrote:(Image)

Shouldn't inappropriately be one word?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:55 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Nejii wrote:(Image)

Shouldn't inappropriately be one word?


:D I have to admit I missed that.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:00 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
You have evidence of that claim?

Name me one mainstream news source that isn't owned by a large media conglomerate.


And what lies are they pushing in order to suppress third party votes?
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Postby Nejii » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:02 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Nejii wrote:(Image)

Shouldn't inappropriately be one word?


Yes it should. Still worth a chuckle though. Suppose I could’ve made one...
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:02 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Name me one mainstream news source that isn't owned by a large media conglomerate.


And what lies are they pushing in order to suppress third party votes?

The most famous one "a vote third party is a wasted vote", or "there aren't other options, only democrat and republican". Over time, these ideas got so ingrained in the public consciousness that now people spread their propaganda for them.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:04 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what lies are they pushing in order to suppress third party votes?

The most famous one "a vote third party is a wasted vote", or "there aren't other options, only democrat and republican". Over time, these ideas got so ingrained in the public consciousness that now people spread their propaganda for them.


So despite the spoiler effect and split opposition votes being demonstrable statistics, it's all a lie crafted to destroy third parties.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:04 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what lies are they pushing in order to suppress third party votes?

The most famous one "a vote third party is a wasted vote", or "there aren't other options, only democrat and republican". Over time, these ideas got so ingrained in the public consciousness that now people spread their propaganda for them.


In most cases it is. The third party candidate isn't viable or barely runs a campaign. That is a wasted vote.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:04 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what lies are they pushing in order to suppress third party votes?

The most famous one "a vote third party is a wasted vote", or "there aren't other options, only democrat and republican". Over time, these ideas got so ingrained in the public consciousness that now people spread their propaganda for them.


Indeed. Like if only a green or libertarian was potus because everything would change.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:06 pm

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:The most famous one "a vote third party is a wasted vote", or "there aren't other options, only democrat and republican". Over time, these ideas got so ingrained in the public consciousness that now people spread their propaganda for them.


So despite the spoiler effect and split opposition votes being demonstrable statistics, it's all a lie crafted to destroy third parties.

If that were true, how come other countries don't have these problems.
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