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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:42 pm

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Not really. Everyone except Roberts is pretty solid in their positions, he's the only wishy washy one who cares about public opinion of the court. In dissents over the past couple years the other conservatives have been more or less roasting him and accusing the court of dereliction of duty.

I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.

Gorsuch has been very surprising thus far. Not what I and many others expected.

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Postby Celritannia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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Not really. Everyone except Roberts is pretty solid in their positions, he's the only wishy washy one who cares about public opinion of the court. In dissents over the past couple years the other conservatives have been more or less roasting him and accusing the court of dereliction of duty.

I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.


TBH, he is the type of Supreme Court Judge that needs to be more common. Votes with actual reasoning and not with a partisan basis.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:43 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.


TBH, he is the type of Supreme Court Judge that is common. Votes with actual reasoning and not with a partisan basis.

unlike soon to be Justice Barrett
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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Not really. Everyone except Roberts is pretty solid in their positions, he's the only wishy washy one who cares about public opinion of the court. In dissents over the past couple years the other conservatives have been more or less roasting him and accusing the court of dereliction of duty.

I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.


God I hope this new court lineup strikes down Hughes. I'm ready to dump thousands into supporting cases to get it before them.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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TBH, he is the type of Supreme Court Judge that is common. Votes with actual reasoning and not with a partisan basis.

unlike soon to be Justice Barrett


If the Democrats had a platform to have SCOTUS independently appointed, I could see them getting more support.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.


God I hope this new court lineup strikes down Hughes. I'm ready to dump thousands into supporting cases to get it before them.

What is Hughes?

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:44 pm

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San Lumen wrote:unlike soon to be Justice Barrett


If the Democrats had a platform to have SCOTUS independently appointed, I could see them getting more support.

How would they be independently appointed?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:46 pm

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God I hope this new court lineup strikes down Hughes. I'm ready to dump thousands into supporting cases to get it before them.

What is Hughes?


The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. It bans the registration of new machine guns under the National Firearms Act but both the manner of how it was passed and the amendment itself are extremely questionable legally and it very likely conflicts with prior SCOTUS precedent on the topic. Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano set a solid groundwork to strike it down.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:46 pm

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If the Democrats had a platform to have SCOTUS independently appointed, I could see them getting more support.

How would they be independently appointed?


Have a selection commission.
Here is the process of appointing the UK Supreme Court Justiciars.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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God I hope this new court lineup strikes down Hughes. I'm ready to dump thousands into supporting cases to get it before them.

What is Hughes?

The Hughes amendment. It's a part of the Firearm Owners Protection Act that was never passed by the house. It, among other things, banned the registration of new machine guns, making them effectively a risk free investment for rich collectors.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What is Hughes?


The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. It bans the registration of new machine guns under the National Firearms Act but both the manner of how it was passed and the amendment itself are extremely questionable legally and it very likely conflicts with prior SCOTUS precedent on the topic. Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano set a solid groundwork to strike it down.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:48 pm

Celritannia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How would they be independently appointed?


Have a selection commission.
Here is the process of appointing the UK Supreme Court Justiciars.


That seems like a mostly good system though I'm not sure I like the President of the court and another senior judge being involved. Imo it'd be better to have it be a totally independent commission from the ABA or something.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:48 pm

Celritannia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How would they be independently appointed?


Have a selection commission.
Here is the process of appointing the UK Supreme Court Justiciars.

Not a bad idea. I doubt something like this would pass as it would likely require a constitutional amendment.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:49 pm

There's also the issue of the selection commission getting politicized.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:50 pm

Aclion wrote:There's also the issue of the selection commission getting politicized.


That is also a concern, yeah. One that'd be a bit hard to truly prevent but at the least it couldn't be worse than the President and the Senate doing it.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aclion wrote:There's also the issue of the selection commission getting politicized.


That is also a concern, yeah. One that'd be a bit hard to truly prevent but at the least it couldn't be worse than the President and the Senate doing it.

It would be harder to rectify though.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:52 pm

Have the district court judges appoint members of SCOTUS from among themselves. A conclave of judges.

Once the Supreme Court building bellows out white smoke, we have a new justice.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:53 pm

One could, of course, also prohibit judicial review.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m more talking about the libertarian cases that Goursh seems to favor. Gun rights cases would be decided 5-4. But certain civil rights cases could go the other way with Goursh voting with the majority.


God I hope this new court lineup strikes down Hughes. I'm ready to dump thousands into supporting cases to get it before them.


I'd love to see that, gib machine gun WRA!
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aclion wrote:There's also the issue of the selection commission getting politicized.


That is also a concern, yeah. One that'd be a bit hard to truly prevent but at the least it couldn't be worse than the President and the Senate doing it.

You could somewhat solve that problem by having the ABA supply the president with three recommendations that he would then choose one.

Could mandate that you have to have an equal political mix in the recommendations
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:56 pm

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:One could, of course, also prohibit judicial review.
Art. 120, Constitution for the Kingdom of the Netherlands wrote:The constitutionality of Acts of Parliament and treaties shall not be reviewed by the courts.

That would be a terrible idea. Almost every landmark case the court rendered would not have happened without judicial review.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:56 pm

Source: Yahoo News.
US attorney in battleground Pennsylvania investigating 'small number of mail-in ballots' found in trash

A few Excerpts:
At this point we can confirm that a small number of (Trump) military ballots were discarded.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-attorney-b ... 00972.html

GMS: This is what President Trump is concerned about, mail vote fraud of any kind by the Democrats, but the leftist media spins it, to make it sound like President Trump will not give up power if he looses the election.

The Republicans and the Democrats both have lawyers ready to challenge any controversial election results in any state, county, or voting center, it is done in all Presidential elections by both sides.

We Republicans hope Trump wins, obviously.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:56 pm

Valrifell wrote:Have the district court judges appoint members of SCOTUS from among themselves. A conclave of judges.

Once the Supreme Court building bellows out white smoke, we have a new justice.

Could also have SCOTUS appoint the lower justices too
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:One could, of course, also prohibit judicial review.
Art. 120, Constitution for the Kingdom of the Netherlands wrote:The constitutionality of Acts of Parliament and treaties shall not be reviewed by the courts.


That just seems stupid. What's the point of a constitution of one can simply pass whatever paws anyhow.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Have the district court judges appoint members of SCOTUS from among themselves. A conclave of judges.

Once the Supreme Court building bellows out white smoke, we have a new justice.

Could also have SCOTUS appoint the lower justices too


I feel like that would make the courts a little too insular and separated from the rest of the government.
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