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2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
27
16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
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Total votes : 168

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it isn't. If Trump is reelected our democracy dies.

Not the part I’m referring too.

The part that travel from the country will be banned. That’s not going to happen and you know it

I have doubts.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it isn't. If Trump is reelected our democracy dies.

Not the part I’m referring too.

The part that travel from the country will be banned. That’s not going to happen and you know it


Depends on how badly we continue to mishandle this plague and how many refuse the vaccine. If a vaccine's rushed, even a lot of people who hate anti-vaxxers will look at this through a jaundiced eye.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's if the Canadian border is reopened.

Technically I could claim Canadian citizenship, the border is closed to Americans but not Canadian citizens

Do you have a parent who’s Canadian?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:43 pm

Nejii wrote:
Kowani wrote:
Question: Do you tell assault victims "well at least you weren't raped lol"
Nowhere you mentioned is socialist.
For all intents and purposes, we have a one party system with a slightly better wing.


The US is not a one party system. Now that is a flat stupid claim.

EDIT: We literally have representation of two major political parties and various smaller parties as well.

That the parties are different on social issues when pushed has not stopped them from the most bipartisan affair in American history: Economically selling out the country. And when it doesn't matter who you vote for, I call that a One-Party System.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:44 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not the part I’m referring too.

The part that travel from the country will be banned. That’s not going to happen and you know it


Depends on how badly we continue to mishandle this plague and how many refuse the vaccine. If a vaccine's rushed, even a lot of people who hate anti-vaxxers will look at this through a jaundiced eye.

I've already given up hope of seeing the world anytime soon or having any events to look forward to next year. At the rate we are going i doubt there will be much left what made the city I love so great.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:44 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Technically I could claim Canadian citizenship, the border is closed to Americans but not Canadian citizens

Do you have a parent who’s Canadian?

Could also've been born there...
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nejii wrote:
The US is not a one party system. Now that is a flat stupid claim.

EDIT: We literally have representation of two major political parties and various smaller parties as well.

That the parties are different on social issues when pushed has not stopped them from the most bipartisan affair in American history: Economically selling out the country. And when it doesn't matter who you vote for, I call that a One-Party System.


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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s an absolutely silly statement and you know it


No it isn't. If Trump is reelected our democracy dies.

Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:46 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it isn't. If Trump is reelected our democracy dies.

Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

America had a democratic system?
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:48 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

America had a democratic system?

If you could call it that.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:48 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it isn't. If Trump is reelected our democracy dies.

Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

says the person who wants a coup.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:48 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

America had a democratic system?


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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Oh shut up with the stupid fearmongering, our democratic system isn't even good no matter what.

says the person who wants a coup.

Your the one who thinks our """free and fair democratic""" will die, dude it's neither free, fair or democratic.

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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:50 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:America had a democratic system?


Once upon a time...

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Postby Nejii » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:55 pm

We still have a democratic system. People today (go ahead make your little wisecracks I'm in my mid-twenties) are snowflakes and can't handle not getting their way. It all boils down to the entitled American complex. Give me my way unconditionally across the board or your a dicktator and I'm starting a riot. Nevermind all the other personal freedoms and liberties that so many non-Americans across the world are denied.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:55 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:says the person who wants a coup.

Your the one who thinks our """free and fair democratic""" will die, dude it's neither free, fair or democratic.


Says you. Your just upset the person you want doesnt always win

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's if the Canadian border is reopened.

Technically I could claim Canadian citizenship, the border is closed to Americans but not Canadian citizens

I legit have contemplated doing the undocumented thing in Canada. Just like most of the undocumented immigrants in the US, I can drive in through the front door. Then...just don't leave. It doesn't matter where I am physically as far as work, I just have to work out housing in Vancouver and...not leave. I wouldn't technically be a Canadian but I'd be living in Vancouver among the Canadians. From there I could try and work out a path to getting citizenship n' healthcare n' shit. Honestly, things just have to go a liiiiiittttle bit better for me and I could pack the Bus and head north.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Your the one who thinks our """free and fair democratic""" will die, dude it's neither free, fair or democratic.


Says you. Your just upset the person you want doesnt always win

Look in the mirror.

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Postby Nejii » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:59 pm

My old college professor was right, America is the next Rome.
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The Horst-Wessel-Lied is very catchy.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:59 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Says you. Your just upset the person you want doesnt always win

Look in the mirror.


When have I done that. I was upset about certain elections not going the way I wanted in 2018 but i never called from not free or democratic.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:00 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not the part I’m referring too.

The part that travel from the country will be banned. That’s not going to happen and you know it


Depends on how badly we continue to mishandle this plague and how many refuse the vaccine. If a vaccine's rushed, even a lot of people who hate anti-vaxxers will look at this through a jaundiced eye.

Still it’s supposed to be over with by late next year.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:00 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Depends on how badly we continue to mishandle this plague and how many refuse the vaccine. If a vaccine's rushed, even a lot of people who hate anti-vaxxers will look at this through a jaundiced eye.

Still it’s supposed to be over with by late next year.

Hopefully before that.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:01 pm

Nejii wrote:My old college professor was right, America is the next Rome.


Yes, we all know this and have for years. The next one will either be China or the EU...and without Britain, my money's on China.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Look in the mirror.


When have I done that. I was upset about certain elections not going the way I wanted in 2018 but i never called from not free or democratic.


You literally said you got PTSD from Trump winning in 2016 lol. Not only is that hella insulting to people with actual PTSD but it makes you seem like you care more about winning anything else.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:04 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Kowani wrote:That the parties are different on social issues when pushed has not stopped them from the most bipartisan affair in American history: Economically selling out the country. And when it doesn't matter who you vote for, I call that a One-Party System.


Say it with me: p l u t o c r a c y

I prefer kleptocracy, but that one works too.

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Nejii wrote:My old college professor was right, America is the next Rome.


Yes, we all know this and have for years. The next one will either be China or the EU...and without Britain, my money's on China.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure. At best, you'd see Xinjang and Tebet break off. Maybe Manchuria. But the classical China, with cultural influence from the Henan region (and more particularly, Erlitou culture) will probably stick together.
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