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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Too Early to Say
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Total votes : 168

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:00 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

Yeah well I'm a Marxist and I officially declare her a revisionist. 8)
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"


That's a huuuuuuuge stretch to take one of BLM's founders being a Marxist to claim the entire damn left is a bunch of commies.


How do you even become a "trained Marxist" - what?
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

...meaning that by association, the entire movement is inherently Marxist?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
That's a huuuuuuuge stretch to take one of BLM's founders being a Marxist to claim the entire damn left is a bunch of commies.


How do you even become a "trained Marxist" - what?

Marx himself has to come to you and award you a medal.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:02 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
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So what makes Marxism and Communism bad in this context?

Nothing, but you're still racebaiting.


We're talking about someone who believes it is the duty of the US government to enforce and preserve Conservative Values. What do those generally entail from a civil rights perspective?
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:02 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"


Talk to BLM supporters, the vast majority are not Marxists. BLM isn't an organization, it's a movement birthed by LA community organizers that includes Cullors. But it's also an ideological big tent, I've seen college conservatives in BLM rallies, all the way to hardcore leftists.

It's not a group you can really ascribe an ideology to because it's not really a group, it's a position that you either support or do not.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:02 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

And I suppose every member of the Sierra Club is racist now?

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Kowani wrote:Yeah, faithless electors aren't. But electors are required to follow the guidelines set by the states, who are, because the founders were elitists, not responsible to the popular vote.


Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Nothing, but you're still racebaiting.


We're talking about someone who believes it is the duty of the US government to enforce and preserve Conservative Values. What do those generally entail from a civil rights perspective?

You realize there's more to conservativism than "haha i'm racist lmao". Even I recognize that's a hilarious strawman.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:03 pm

I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:03 pm

Corrian wrote:I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.


Yup. If y'all need me the week after Nov. 3, I'll probably be on a week-long bender somewhere in the Mountains.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:04 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, faithless electors aren't. But electors are required to follow the guidelines set by the states, who are, because the founders were elitists, not responsible to the popular vote.


Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

How could they not veto it?

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:05 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

...meaning that by association, the entire movement is inherently Marxist?


And David Duke endorsed Trump. That must mean the entire right are KKK members, according to his logic. ;)
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Postby Corrian » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:05 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, faithless electors aren't. But electors are required to follow the guidelines set by the states, who are, because the founders were elitists, not responsible to the popular vote.


Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

2020 truly hates us.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:05 pm

Corrian wrote:I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.


Good. Let them drag him out by his tiny hands, kicking and screaming the entire time like a 2 year old on live television. I'll be watching and laughing.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

How could they not veto it?


That's a good question. If the electors are appointed via a joint legislative resolution, typically Governors do not have the power to veto such resolutions.

In addition, in Wisconsin and North Carolina, Governors have incredibly limited veto powers as enshrined within their respective State Constitutions.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:06 pm

Corrian wrote:I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.

He will be forced to if he loses.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:06 pm

Corrian wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

2020 truly hates us.


Yeah, well, feelings mutual.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:06 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Corrian wrote:I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.


Yup. If y'all need me the week after Nov. 3, I'll probably be on a week-long bender somewhere in the Mountains.

You mean until January 20th?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Corrian wrote:I think its pretty clear that Trump isn't gonna leave peacefully, though, no matter how this goes.

He will be forced to if he loses.

Assuming he accepts the loss.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Someone pay for my immigration to Canada if Trump wins, okay?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He will be forced to if he loses.

Assuming he accepts the loss.

He's made it pretty clear he has no intention to.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Corrian wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.

2020 truly hates us.

I just want this year to be over but at this rate I doubt 2021 will be any better. Almost anything to look forward too will likely be canceled or made virtual.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He will be forced to if he loses.

Assuming he accepts the loss.

Again, he will be forced to. No one can deny numbers. That's the one thing that is safe.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"


Which is why they've faced violent oppression from the government.

I mean have any of these democratic mayors offered anything besides empty words of encouragement while the police departments THEY CONTROL brutalize protesters regardless of whether they're peaceful or not?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He will be forced to if he loses.

Assuming he accepts the loss.


He doesn't get a choice in the matter - that's the best part! :p
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