2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Major-Tom]

The Trump campaign is reportedly planning a way to bypass the 2020 election results in key Swing States. That plan is to have the State Legislatures of Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, which is controlled by Republicans, to select and install electors that would vote for Trump even if he loses those States.

They would back up this move by claiming widespread voter fraud and other irregularities with mail ballots, telling said Legislatures "to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly [...] the longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires". This plan is an option in PA at least, according to Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP. The plan has been panned by many election experts as illegal and unconstitutional since it's required that electors are selected on Election Day as well as said Electors must adhere to the popular vote in those respective States.

Ah, just what we need, an American Lukashenko if Trump and the GOP were to succeed. What a fucking dirty move this would be.

Failed state.

You know America is fucked when an Argentinian can flatly say that we're worse off than Argentina in terms of national stability and democratic processes.

[Liriena]

now the left is openly calling for Marxism and Communism to be governing principles of the US

I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

[Kowani]

The Trump campaign is reportedly planning a way to bypass the 2020 election results in key Swing States. That plan is to have the State Legislatures of Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, which is controlled by Republicans, to select and install electors that would vote for Trump even if he loses those States.

They would back up this move by claiming widespread voter fraud and other irregularities with mail ballots, telling said Legislatures "to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly [...] the longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires". This plan is an option in PA at least, according to Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP. The plan has been panned by many election experts as illegal and unconstitutional since it's required that electors are selected on Election Day as well as said Electors must adhere to the popular vote in those respective States.

Ah, just what we need, an American Lukashenko if Trump and the GOP were to succeed. What a fucking dirty move this would be.

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

Well...legally speaking, the only thing stopping them is PR and principles. States can appoint their own electors as they wish.

[Cannot think of a name]

And how are we defining Marxism and Communism today? Or are they still just nebulous scare words because y'all hate the idea of groups that aren't white men having rights?

Oh boy. Vassenor is deciding to pull out the old reliable! Isn't racebaiting fun?

I imagine as much as Red Scare? You don’t get to whine about oldies when you’re still humping the red scare.

[Vassenor]

And how are we defining Marxism and Communism today? Or are they still just nebulous scare words because y'all hate the idea of groups that aren't white men having rights?

Oh boy. Vassenor is deciding to pull out the old reliable! Isn't racebaiting fun?

So what makes Marxism and Communism bad in this context?

[Corrian]

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

I'd be thinking of leaving as well, but at the same time I don't want to just ditch everyone I know, and to fight however I have to fight if it comes down to it. But leaving and being happy would be easier.

[Major-Tom]

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

Tbh I don't think this will happen, but the fact it's being considered by the Trump campaign shows they know they're losing.

I care less about that than the precedent it sets. Let's say they try and fail at this idea. Great, Trump loses and is forced out of the White House. But what of the 40% of people who will see this and genuinely believe that Trump tried to "save democracy from itself?" What of the 40% of people who will take out their unbridled rage on who they no longer see as political opponents, but as a threat to their entire way of life and their entire worldview?

This country will be torn apart. That doesn't mean Civil War, but it means a breakdown of all democratic norms, of all civil dialogue and discourse. Families will be torn apart, friendships ripped apart, and life as usual will be much more bitter and depressing.

[San Lumen]

The Trump campaign is reportedly planning a way to bypass the 2020 election results in key Swing States. That plan is to have the State Legislatures of Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, which is controlled by Republicans, to select and install electors that would vote for Trump even if he loses those States.

They would back up this move by claiming widespread voter fraud and other irregularities with mail ballots, telling said Legislatures "to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly [...] the longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires". This plan is an option in PA at least, according to Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP. The plan has been panned by many election experts as illegal and unconstitutional since it's required that electors are selected on Election Day as well as said Electors must adhere to the popular vote in those respective States.

Ah, just what we need, an American Lukashenko if Trump and the GOP were to succeed. What a fucking dirty move this would be.

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

It’s not legally possible. It would require a change in law that would certainly be vetoed and is flat out unconstitutional

[Liriena]

Failed state.

You know America is fucked when an Argentinian can flatly say that we're worse off than Argentina in terms of national stability and democratic processes.

Our politics are fucking dogshit and yet none of our major parties is openly talking about rigging elections so they can lose the vote and still win the presidency. I'm in awe.

[Thermodolia]

all lies from the right wing media.

His mental state isn't in total decline, but it does not appear to be entirely intact either.

So the plan should be to raise his expectations for the debate not drive the goddamn bar into the ground

[West Leas Oros 2]

Oh boy. Vassenor is deciding to pull out the old reliable! Isn't racebaiting fun?

So what makes Marxism and Communism bad in this context?

Nothing, but you're still racebaiting.

[Major-Tom]

You know America is fucked when an Argentinian can flatly say that we're worse off than Argentina in terms of national stability and democratic processes.

Our politics are fucking dogshit and yet none of our major parties is openly talking about rigging elections so they can lose the popular vote and still win the presidency. I'm in awe.

For real. Not gonna lie, I remember I used to look at Argentina and think "yeesh, how did they get to a place where they always seem to be teetering on a brink."

Never thought it would happen here, really, and especially never thought it would prove to be worse.

[Thermodolia]

Amy Coney Barrett’s religion is so misogynistic that it let a woman serve 15 years as a law professor and a circuit judge. How oppressive

But thinks The Handmaid's tale should be reality.

No she doesn’t

[West Leas Oros 2]

Oh boy. Vassenor is deciding to pull out the old reliable! Isn't racebaiting fun?

I imagine as much as Red Scare? You don’t get to whine about oldies when you’re still humping the red scare.

Red scare should be some boomer shit by now, honestly.

[Major-Tom]

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

It’s not legally possible. It would require a change in law that would certainly be vetoed and is flat out unconstitutional

Truly, I don't see this happening. I don't know the intricacies of electoral law well enough to know whether or not this is even legally possible, but in the minute chance this did happen, I think I'd finally take the step to apply to teach English abroad and never return.

Well...legally speaking, the only thing stopping them is PR and principles. States can appoint their own electors as they wish.

I'm gonna have to look into this deeply, these are very disparate answers. Faithless electors are technically not allowed, but that hasn't stopped it from happening in the past due to the very slight legal penalties imposed on them.

[Thermodolia]

The Trump campaign is reportedly planning a way to bypass the 2020 election results in key Swing States. That plan is to have the State Legislatures of Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, which is controlled by Republicans, to select and install electors that would vote for Trump even if he loses those States.

They would back up this move by claiming widespread voter fraud and other irregularities with mail ballots, telling said Legislatures "to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly [...] the longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires". This plan is an option in PA at least, according to Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP. The plan has been panned by many election experts as illegal and unconstitutional since it's required that electors are selected on Election Day as well as said Electors must adhere to the popular vote in those respective States.

Ah, just what we need, an American Lukashenko if Trump and the GOP were to succeed. What a fucking dirty move this would be.

Does Trump really want to be the first President to be ousted in a military coup? Because that’s what will happen if he tries that

[West Leas Oros 2]

But thinks The Handmaid's tale should be reality.

No she doesn’t

The Handmaid's Tale is just the new 1984 isn't it? Whenever something bad happens, it's literally just like it. Government did a thing? Literally 1984!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I imagine as much as Red Scare? You don’t get to whine about oldies when you’re still humping the red scare.

Red scare should be some boomer shit by now, honestly.

I'm in awe that some people are still terrified of communists taking over the U.S.

The USSR collapsed. The Iron Curtain fell. The Berlin Wall was torn down. We won the Cold War. Move on, people. Jesus.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Red scare should be some boomer shit by now, honestly.

I'm in awe that some people are still terrified of communists taking over the U.S.

The USSR collapsed. The Iron Curtain fell. The Berlin Wall was torn down. We won the Cold War. Move on, people. Jesus.

B-but... the GOVERNMENT DID STUFF!!!!! THAT'S LITERALLY STALIN!!!!

[Thermodolia]

Any self respecting conservative would fill the seat, it secures a court that will uphold conservative values for decades

Rigging elections is a conservative value now?

No but killing Roe is

[Kowani]

It’s not legally possible. It would require a change in law that would certainly be vetoed and is flat out unconstitutional

Well...legally speaking, the only thing stopping them is PR and principles. States can appoint their own electors as they wish.

I'm gonna have to look into this deeply, these are very disparate answers. Faithless electors are technically not allowed, but that hasn't stopped it from happening in the past due to the very slight legal penalties imposed on them.

Yeah, faithless electors aren't. But electors are required to follow the guidelines set by the states, who are, because the founders were elitists, not responsible to the popular vote.

[Kexholm Karelia]

now the left is openly calling for Marxism and Communism to be governing principles of the US

I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The Trump campaign is reportedly planning a way to bypass the 2020 election results in key Swing States. That plan is to have the State Legislatures of Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, which is controlled by Republicans, to select and install electors that would vote for Trump even if he loses those States.

They would back up this move by claiming widespread voter fraud and other irregularities with mail ballots, telling said Legislatures "to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly [...] the longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires". This plan is an option in PA at least, according to Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP. The plan has been panned by many election experts as illegal and unconstitutional since it's required that electors are selected on Election Day as well as said Electors must adhere to the popular vote in those respective States.

Ah, just what we need, an American Lukashenko if Trump and the GOP were to succeed. What a fucking dirty move this would be.

Does Trump really want to be the first President to be ousted in a military coup? Because that’s what will happen if he tries that

I would honestly pay good money to watch the military haul him away to the nearest firing squad.

[Rusozak]

I fucking wish that was true. I wish I lived in the imaginary world of rampant Marxism your endless self-radicalization fantasies have created for you.

But lo and behold, no, we live in the real world, where the Democratic Party is still dominated by liberals and nominates liberals for the presidency and doesn't even include in its platform something as basic, something as harmlessly social democratic as universal public healthcare.

Black Lives Matter, a movement that has gained immense popularity in recent months, has their co-founder declare herself a "trained Marxist"

That's a huuuuuuuge stretch to take one of BLM's founders being a Marxist to claim the entire damn left is a bunch of commies.

[Major-Tom]

I'm gonna have to look into this deeply, these are very disparate answers. Faithless electors are technically not allowed, but that hasn't stopped it from happening in the past due to the very slight legal penalties imposed on them.

Yeah, faithless electors aren't. But electors are required to follow the guidelines set by the states, who are, because the founders were elitists, not responsible to the popular vote.

Yeesh, yeah, I'm reading into the legality of it, and while it seems nearly impossible it would work, there is a slim chance it could because Governors would actually not be able to veto such an action, and any legal action would end up moving to the...

Supreme Court, which is about to be filled to make it a 6-3 Conservative Court.

I am once again asking for a Visa.