2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

[Thermodolia]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

By not looking like a complete idiot.

Which interestingly the conservatives are actually lowering the bar for Biden when they claim that he can’t debate Trump, he won’t show up, or that he’s mentally unfit.

If Biden shows up and doesn’t say anything stupid he’s won the debate by virtue of not fucking up thanks to how low the bar has been set.

[Thermodolia]

They most definitely can. He’ll say he’s retiring due to age but we’d all know it’s because the democrats pushed him

Isn’t that the theory behind Kennedy retiring?

Pretty much

[Aureumterra III]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

By not looking like a complete idiot.

Which interestingly the conservatives are actually lowering the bar for Biden when they claim that he can’t debate Trump, he won’t show up, or that he’s mentally unfit.

If Biden shows up and doesn’t say anything stupid he’s won the debate by virtue of not fucking up thanks to how low the bar has been set.

Wasn’t it Biden supporters and pundits advising him not to show up?

[Thermodolia]

By not looking like a complete idiot.

Which interestingly the conservatives are actually lowering the bar for Biden when they claim that he can’t debate Trump, he won’t show up, or that he’s mentally unfit.

If Biden shows up and doesn’t say anything stupid he’s won the debate by virtue of not fucking up thanks to how low the bar has been set.

Wasn’t it Biden supporters and pundits advising him not to show up?

No. Very few Biden supporters have suggested that. And actually it plays into lowering the bar. If Biden shows up they can claim victory

[Page]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

In theory, through superior policy arguments. In practice, through charisma and zingers.

[Aureumterra III]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

In theory, through superior policy arguments. In practice, through charisma and zingers.

"'Cause you’ll be in jail!" sort of stuff?

Wasn’t it Biden supporters and pundits advising him not to show up?

No. Very few Biden supporters have suggested that. And actually it plays into lowering the bar. If Biden shows up they can claim victory

American conservative pundits really do amuse me many times, as a somewhat conservative myself

Based on how polarized things are, how many people would actually change their minds based on the debate?

[Zurkerx]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

By not looking like a complete idiot.

Which interestingly the conservatives are actually lowering the bar for Biden when they claim that he can’t debate Trump, he won’t show up, or that he’s mentally unfit.

If Biden shows up and doesn’t say anything stupid he’s won the debate by virtue of not fucking up thanks to how low the bar has been set.

Indeed though Trump in recent days has been up-playing Biden's debate performance, saying Biden will do good and win, a complete reversal though it's too late for that: Trump has fallen into Biden's Trap.

[Thermodolia]

In theory, through superior policy arguments. In practice, through charisma and zingers.

"'Cause you’ll be in jail!" sort of stuff?

Exactly

No. Very few Biden supporters have suggested that. And actually it plays into lowering the bar. If Biden shows up they can claim victory

American conservative pundits really do amuse me many times, as a somewhat conservative myself

Based on how polarized things are, how many people would actually change their minds based on the debate?

Probably nobody

[Picairn]

In theory, through superior policy arguments. In practice, through charisma and zingers.

"'Cause you’ll be in jail!" sort of stuff?

Strangely, Americans seem to prefer gotcha one-liners than boring, nuanced policy debates.

[Ifreann]

"'Cause you’ll be in jail!" sort of stuff?

Strangely, Americans seem to prefer gotcha one-liners than boring, nuanced policy debates.

And also, everyone else.

[Aureumterra III]

"'Cause you’ll be in jail!" sort of stuff?

Strangely, Americans seem to prefer gotcha one-liners than boring, nuanced policy debates.

That’s not an American thing exclusively, most "Political buffs" (What I call people who loosely follow politics and support someone, but don’t actually have opinions on policy and policy effects) only look for that one "gotcha" line to make viral on social media

[Cannot think of a name]

How exactly are you supposed to "win" a presidential debate?

Come out of it in a better polling position than you came in with.

[San Lumen]

By not looking like a complete idiot.

Which interestingly the conservatives are actually lowering the bar for Biden when they claim that he can’t debate Trump, he won’t show up, or that he’s mentally unfit.

If Biden shows up and doesn’t say anything stupid he’s won the debate by virtue of not fucking up thanks to how low the bar has been set.

Indeed though Trump in recent days has been up-playing Biden's debate performance, saying Biden will do good and win, a complete reversal though it's too late for that: Trump has fallen into Biden's Trap.

Gooood. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

[San Lumen]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/politi ... 279cc.html

Aria DiMezzo, the trans, Satanic, libertarian running for Cheshire County Sheriff in New Hampshire said her car was vandalized over the weekend with a slashed tire, a slashed cloth top, and obscene graffiti.

[Carrico]

There is no way Biden would win a debate against Trump.

These spectacle politics represent a dying empire.

These sorts of debates aren't won or lost in the context of the debate itself. They're exercises in generating news, in having the best one-liners and comebacks, in conveying the right image to fit one's broader campaign strategy, and of course in thwarting the other party from doing the same. It's entirely possible for both Biden and Trump to win the debate, or for them both to lose.

I would generally agree with this, though I am not sure there is much value to winning debates anymore.
Biden would be considered to win as long as he makes coherent sentences. Trump may be stupid, but he is better at thinking on his feet than Biden in these show-like situations. Trump was able to do some damage to Clinton in the debates and was able to make himself seem more relatable than Clinton.

Personally, I believe Trump is going to win re-election.

[Zurkerx]

Got a couple good polls today:

Two polls done by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) for Arizona and Florida show tight race with Trump slightly leading. The breakdown:

In Arizona, Trump leads Biden among likely voters 49% to 48%; it also shows Kelly slightly leading McSally 49% to 48%.

In Florida, Trump leads Biden 51% to 47%.

And in Georgia, a poll by Monmouth (A+ Rated) shows Trump leading Biden among likely voters 48% to 46%. For the Senate races, Perdue leads Ossoff 48% to 43% while Warnock, Loeffler, and Collins are tied at 23%.

Georgia seems to be inline with other polls: showing a close race but Trump is the slight favorite. The polls by WaPo seem a bit of an outlier although they do show the race is close and a warning for Biden to heed.

[San Lumen]

Got a couple good polls today:

Two polls done by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) for Arizona and Florida show tight race with Trump slightly leading. The breakdown:

In Arizona, Trump leads Biden among likely voters 49% to 48%; it also shows Kelly slightly leading McSally 49% to 48%.

In Florida, Trump leads Biden 51% to 47%.

And in Georgia, a poll by Monmouth (A+ Rated) shows Trump leading Biden among likely voters 48% to 46%. For the Senate races, Perdue leads Ossoff 48% to 43% while Warnock, Loeffler, and Collins are tied at 23%.

Georgia seems to be inline with other polls: showing a close race but Trump is the slight favorite. The polls by WaPo seem a bit of an outlier although they do show the race is close and a warning for Biden to heed.

That's the first poll showing Trump leading in Arizona. that's a bit worrisome.

Here is a slew of new polls from CNBC: https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/sta ... 79458?s=20
MI:
Biden 51% (+2 in 2 weeks)
Trump 43% (-)

WI:
Biden 51% (+1)
Trump 42% (-2)

AZ:
Biden 49% (-)
Trump 43% (-2)

PA:
Biden 49% (-1)
Trump 45% (-1)

FL:
Biden 49% (-)
Trump 46% (-)

NC:
Biden 48% (-1)
Trump 46% (-1)

[Cisairse]

Got a couple good polls today:

Two polls done by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) for Arizona and Florida show tight race with Trump slightly leading. The breakdown:

In Arizona, Trump leads Biden among likely voters 49% to 48%; it also shows Kelly slightly leading McSally 49% to 48%.

In Florida, Trump leads Biden 51% to 47%.

And in Georgia, a poll by Monmouth (A+ Rated) shows Trump leading Biden among likely voters 48% to 46%. For the Senate races, Perdue leads Ossoff 48% to 43% while Warnock, Loeffler, and Collins are tied at 23%.

Georgia seems to be inline with other polls: showing a close race but Trump is the slight favorite. The polls by WaPo seem a bit of an outlier although they do show the race is close and a warning for Biden to heed.

I'm calling it now, this race will be decided by the 1st debate

[San Lumen]

https://apnews.com/5eac591ebd16e8b7ec32710236f90be9

Looks like the rumors of Governor Holcomb in Indiana being in trouble could have some serious legs. The Libertarian candidate Donald Rainwater will start airing TV and radio ads in the coming days.

[Rusozak]

https://apnews.com/5eac591ebd16e8b7ec32710236f90be9

Looks like the rumors of Governor Holcomb in Indiana being in serious trouble could have some serious legs. The Libertarian candidate Donald Rainwater will start airing TV and radio ads in the coming days.

"Give me Liberty or give me Covid." That's the point, Karen.

[San Lumen]

Got a couple good polls today:

Two polls done by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) for Arizona and Florida show tight race with Trump slightly leading. The breakdown:

In Arizona, Trump leads Biden among likely voters 49% to 48%; it also shows Kelly slightly leading McSally 49% to 48%.

In Florida, Trump leads Biden 51% to 47%.

And in Georgia, a poll by Monmouth (A+ Rated) shows Trump leading Biden among likely voters 48% to 46%. For the Senate races, Perdue leads Ossoff 48% to 43% while Warnock, Loeffler, and Collins are tied at 23%.

Georgia seems to be inline with other polls: showing a close race but Trump is the slight favorite. The polls by WaPo seem a bit of an outlier although they do show the race is close and a warning for Biden to heed.

I'm calling it now, this race will be decided by the 1st debate

It very well could be. The Arizona poll seems a bit odd though with Trump being tied or close in Pima county of which the county seat is Tucson doesn;t hold water. A Republican has not won it since 1988.

It also shows Biden up 13 in Maricopa which is two thirds of the state. It is mathematically impossible to lose the state with a margin like that in that county .

[Kowani]

Ted Cruz blocks resolution honoring RGB because it included her dying wish.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ted Cruz blocks resolution honoring RGB because it included her dying wish.

He's still gunning for the seat himself obviously.

[San Lumen]

Ted Cruz blocks resolution honoring RGB because it included her dying wish.

What a scumbag and horrible man. Shame he was reelected in 2018.

[Ifreann]

Ted Cruz blocks resolution honoring RGB because it included her dying wish.

He's still gunning for the seat himself obviously.

Isn't he trying to sell a book about the Supreme Court?