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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:15 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.


They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


This^

There were a lot of people who voted Trump in 2016 solely because of the possibility of getting a sweep on SCOTUS because RBG stayed on. It almost motivated me to vote for him even.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


This^

There were a lot of people who voted Trump in 2016 solely because of the possibility of getting a sweep on SCOTUS because RBG stayed on. It almost motivated me to vote for him even.


Even if that were true, I doubt most rural voters care exclusively about court appointments.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:25 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This^

There were a lot of people who voted Trump in 2016 solely because of the possibility of getting a sweep on SCOTUS because RBG stayed on. It almost motivated me to vote for him even.


Even if that were true, I doubt most rural voters care exclusively about court appointments.

you'd be surprised.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:07 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This^

There were a lot of people who voted Trump in 2016 solely because of the possibility of getting a sweep on SCOTUS because RBG stayed on. It almost motivated me to vote for him even.


Even if that were true, I doubt most rural voters care exclusively about court appointments.


Maybe not exclusively, but it's certainly a high priority.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:09 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.


They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


:rofl: oh you are serious :shock: Which state do you live in?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


:rofl: oh you are serious :shock: Which state do you live in?


Illinois, actually. Downstate, though, so it's pretty Republican here.

And it's no secret that the court was a major factor in Trump's election and his support among evangelicals.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why? It could cut into Trumps margins. I think it’s a good strategy. No area should be written off.


Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.

Depends on the rural area. I'm in upstate NY and not everyone up here is necessarily pro-Trump.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:16 pm

*not worth it*
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Illinois, actually. Downstate, though, so it's pretty Republican here.

And it's no secret that the court was a major factor in Trump's election and his support among evangelicals.


Of course; they want everybody else to follow their “moral” code.

It’s going to get even more polarized when it’s done.


Yes, that's how this works, they're not unique.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:19 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Illinois, actually. Downstate, though, so it's pretty Republican here.

And it's no secret that the court was a major factor in Trump's election and his support among evangelicals.


Of course; they want everybody else to follow their “moral” code.

It’s going to get even more polarized when it’s done.

Just like the Democrats want everybody else to follow their moral code. You stated Republicans are liars, does that mean that Republicans are liars and Democrats are not liars?
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Postby Post War America » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:19 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This^

There were a lot of people who voted Trump in 2016 solely because of the possibility of getting a sweep on SCOTUS because RBG stayed on. It almost motivated me to vote for him even.


Even if that were true, I doubt most rural voters care exclusively about court appointments.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:21 pm

*not worth it*
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:21 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.


They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Exactly correct and they're willing to lay down their political lives, that is, all... but for Donald Trump. I don't know if he fully realizes what he's unleashed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:22 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Exactly correct and they're willing to lay down their political lives, that is, all... but for Donald Trump. I don't know if he fully realizes what he's unleashed.


I just don’t understand their adulation for him. He routinely lies to them and they love it. Recently he said covid virtually affects nobody.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, that's how this works, they're not unique.


Ok. So why am I supposed to worry about Christian fefes? How are they hurt by LGBT people?


Same reason I'm supposed to be hurt by Democrat fefes who aren't hurt by machine guns.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:24 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.


They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Thankfully, the advent of the Internet and a more informed electorate who cares deeply about judicial issues, and the Justices concerned about the image of the Court, make me suspect that not a whole lot will be achieved even with an additional justice.

The 6-3 conservative majority either won't last very long or will be as disappointing for the country's right as the current 5-4 majority is.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:24 pm

*not worth it*
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:25 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Thankfully, the advent of the Internet and a more informed electorate who cares deeply about judicial issues, and the Justices concerned about the image of the Court, make me suspect that not a whole lot will be achieved even with an additional justice.

The 6-3 conservative majority either won't last very long or will be as disappointing for the country's right as the current 5-4 majority is.


Not for me and Tel at least, Roberts has been the only thing halting progress for us.

I do think the extreme anti-abortion and anti-LGBT types are going to be very disappointed though.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Thankfully, the advent of the Internet and a more informed electorate who cares deeply about judicial issues, and the Justices concerned about the image of the Court, make me suspect that not a whole lot will be achieved even with an additional justice.

The 6-3 conservative majority either won't last very long or will be as disappointing for the country's right as the current 5-4 majority is.


Hmmmm? It will be 6-3 on the contentious issues.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:26 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Same reason I'm supposed to be hurt by Democrat fefes who aren't hurt by machine guns.


Thugs with guns are something to be concerned about.

Hell even a 2nd amendment supporter threatened my mom awhile back. My mom suffers from MS and looks like the wind would blow her over.


And a gay guy told me he wanted to kill my family. So evidently LGBT people are something to be concerned about too...
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.


Thankfully, the advent of the Internet and a more informed electorate who cares deeply about judicial issues, and the Justices concerned about the image of the Court, make me suspect that not a whole lot will be achieved even with an additional justice.

The 6-3 conservative majority either won't last very long or will be as disappointing for the country's right as the current 5-4 majority is.


Oh, it'll last long enough. With Ginsburg gone, the next likely exit is going to be Breyer at age 82, so Biden becoming president wouldn't change the makeup. After that, Thomas is only 72, so barring anything untoward, the court will stay on the right for a long time after this.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:26 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Exactly correct and they're willing to lay down their political lives, that is, all... but for Donald Trump. I don't know if he fully realizes what he's unleashed.


I just don’t understand their adulation for him. He routinely lies to them and they love it. Recently he said covid virtually affects nobody.


He's viewed by the Evangelicals as a transactional political figure. He gives them the judges they wish and he gets the adulation. But once the court is 6-3 he decomes Captain Dunsel and is discarded.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:29 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I just don’t understand their adulation for him. He routinely lies to them and they love it. Recently he said covid virtually affects nobody.


He's viewed by the Evangelicals as a transactional political figure. He gives them the judges they wish and he gets the adulation. But once the court is 6-3 he decomes Captain Dunsel and is discarded.


I'm not sure about that. A party or even a sizable amount of a party willing to discard him doesn't pull the kind of stunts they did at the convention.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:29 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
He's viewed by the Evangelicals as a transactional political figure. He gives them the judges they wish and he gets the adulation. But once the court is 6-3 he decomes Captain Dunsel and is discarded.


I'm not sure about that. A party or even a sizable amount of a party willing to discard him doesn't pull the kind of stunts they did at the convention.


7-2 is better than 6-3.

Doubly so given that Robert's is about as reliable as the busted old pickup I drove in high school.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:30 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
I just don’t understand their adulation for him. He routinely lies to them and they love it. Recently he said covid virtually affects nobody.


He's viewed by the Evangelicals as a transactional political figure. He gives them the judges they wish and he gets the adulation. But once the court is 6-3 he decomes Captain Dunsel and is discarded.


who the fuck is captain dunsel?
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