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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
27
16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
26%
 
Total votes : 168

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why? It could cut into Trumps margins. I think it’s a good strategy. No area should be written off.


Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.

He doesn't need to flip the states.
He just needs to depress Trump turnout in critical areas.

Also he's got way more money than Trump, and seems to know how to use it better.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:39 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.


There are other dimensions to people than the "culture war", you know. The lack of good pandemic relief for farmers and tangible economic improvement for rural areas, for one.


There are but the culture war tends to override most other things. Which tbh is a really interesting thing.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:40 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.

He doesn't need to flip the states.
He just needs to depress Trump turnout in critical areas.

Also he's got way more money than Trump, and seems to know how to use it better.


The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There are other dimensions to people than the "culture war", you know. The lack of good pandemic relief for farmers and tangible economic improvement for rural areas, for one.


There are but the culture war tends to override most other things. Which tbh is a really interesting thing.


That's because most people haven't read Marx >:(

Tbf neither have I, so.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:41 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.

He doesn't need to flip the states.
He just needs to depress Trump turnout in critical areas.

Also he's got way more money than Trump, and seems to know how to use it better.

Or get better margins than Clinton perhaps even win a few rural counties. It could be very helpful in state legislatures.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:41 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:He doesn't need to flip the states.
He just needs to depress Trump turnout in critical areas.

Also he's got way more money than Trump, and seems to know how to use it better.


The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol


Campaign money shouldn't be going to fighting off lawsuits directed to the President, though, if only because that's not what people signed up their money for. Is the campaign itself being sued?

Several of the ones I'm aware of were initiated to stall early voting efforts, most (or all?) of which failed.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:42 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol


Campaign money shouldn't be going to fighting off lawsuits directed to the President, though, if only because that's not what people signed up their money for. Is the campaign itself being sued?

Several of the ones I'm aware of were initiated to stall early voting efforts, most (or all?) of which failed.


Maybe you should sue the campaign for misusing their money :lol2:
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:43 am

The debates are always tense, but I think we could improve the system with a mecha battle. Let's put 'em both in 80 foot tall heavily armed robot exoskeletons with their running mates and make them fight to the death for the presidency.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:He doesn't need to flip the states.
He just needs to depress Trump turnout in critical areas.

Also he's got way more money than Trump, and seems to know how to use it better.


The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol

Things you should do while running a presidential campaign: Be squeaky clean.
Failing that, don't purposely make enemies among the bureaucratic class.

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol


Campaign money shouldn't be going to fighting off lawsuits directed to the President, though, if only because that's not what people signed up their money for. Is the campaign itself being sued?

"If the candidate is fighting lawsuits, we can't campaign"
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Campaign money shouldn't be going to fighting off lawsuits directed to the President, though, if only because that's not what people signed up their money for. Is the campaign itself being sued?

Several of the ones I'm aware of were initiated to stall early voting efforts, most (or all?) of which failed.


Maybe you should sue the campaign for misusing their money :lol2:


what
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:45 am

Cordel One wrote:The debates are always tense, but I think we could improve the system with a mecha battle. Let's put 'em both in 80 foot tall heavily armed robot exoskeletons with their running mates and make them fight to the death for the presidency.

Japan only has one walking Gundam right now.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Campaign money shouldn't be going to fighting off lawsuits directed to the President, though, if only because that's not what people signed up their money for. Is the campaign itself being sued?

Several of the ones I'm aware of were initiated to stall early voting efforts, most (or all?) of which failed.


Maybe you should sue the campaign for misusing their money :lol2:

I actually did laugh out loud.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:45 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.


There are other dimensions to people than the "culture war", you know. The lack of good pandemic relief for farmers and tangible economic improvement for rural areas, for one.


They're unlikely to support Biden on those issues either. Not everyone's the same in those areas, but almost all of them oppose Biden's views on something important.
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:47 am

Kowani wrote:
Cordel One wrote:The debates are always tense, but I think we could improve the system with a mecha battle. Let's put 'em both in 80 foot tall heavily armed robot exoskeletons with their running mates and make them fight to the death for the presidency.

Japan only has one walking Gundam right now.

That and the current ones are a bit slow and clunky, but with our military budget we could fix that.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:47 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There are but the culture war tends to override most other things. Which tbh is a really interesting thing.


That's because most people haven't read Marx >:(

Tbf neither have I, so.


I have, and the culture war is still infinitely more important than muh class struggle.
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:48 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe you should sue the campaign for misusing their money :lol2:


what


A joke about the campaign misusing money and ways it could be stopped, which would just exacerbate the problem.

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The glories of not being stuck in a thousand concurrent lawsuits right lol

Things you should do while running a presidential campaign: Be squeaky clean.
Failing that, don't purposely make enemies among the bureaucratic class.


To be fair I don't think Trump is capable of being clean.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:48 am

Cordel One wrote:The debates are always tense, but I think we could improve the system with a mecha battle. Let's put 'em both in 80 foot tall heavily armed robot exoskeletons with their running mates and make them fight to the death for the presidency.

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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:49 am

here are my friend's views on the election I guess IDC much about it
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:50 am

he's a russian nationalist but that's his dreams he is very democrat
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:50 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
what


A joke about the campaign misusing money and ways it could be stopped, which would just exacerbate the problem.

Kowani wrote:Things you should do while running a presidential campaign: Be squeaky clean.
Failing that, don't purposely make enemies among the bureaucratic class.


To be fair I don't think Trump is capable of being clean.

Which is what the second step was for.
The Trump campaign ignored my sterling advice.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:51 am

Also, Trump confirmed the SCOTUS pick will come sometime on Saturday. 99.9% sure it'll be Barrett but I'm still holding out hope for Justice Cruz, it'll really complete the Zodiac saga.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also, Trump confirmed the SCOTUS pick will come sometime on Saturday. 99.9% sure it'll be Barrett but I'm still holding out hope for Justice Cruz, it'll really complete the Zodiac saga.

The handmaids tale may soon be reality. It’s what a number a Republicans have wanted for years.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also, Trump confirmed the SCOTUS pick will come sometime on Saturday. 99.9% sure it'll be Barrett but I'm still holding out hope for Justice Cruz, it'll really complete the Zodiac saga.

The handmaids tale may soon be reality. It’s what a number a Republicans have wanted for years.

The handmaid's tale banned all sorts of Christianity outside of a very specific sect.
They don't want that.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:56 am

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The handmaids tale may soon be reality. It’s what a number a Republicans have wanted for years.

The handmaid's tale banned all sorts of Christianity outside of a very specific sect.
They don't want that.

But many other polices of the regime they do.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The handmaids tale may soon be reality. It’s what a number a Republicans have wanted for years.

The handmaid's tale banned all sorts of Christianity outside of a very specific sect.
They don't want that.


You seem to be under the impression that Lumen is familiar with the story beyond it's ham-fisted use as a political talking point.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:The handmaid's tale banned all sorts of Christianity outside of a very specific sect.
They don't want that.

But many other polices of the regime they do.

Hmm. No.
Gilead has a command economy (anathema), legalized hierarchy that cannot be ascended(poison), and despite the Reps' burning hatred of abortion, they don't want to make women into slaves.
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