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You discover one day that you are a Force-user. What will you do with these new found gifts?

I will conquer the world and unite it under one banner. Who could possibly stop me? I'd be a living god able to reshape the Earth as I see fit.
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11%
I want to change the world but in a less direct way. I will alter and manipulate events to pursue my goals from the secrecy of the shadows.
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17%
I'll become a vigilante and protect my community from crime and other threats to it.
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7%
I want to be a wandering hero, saving lives and doing good wherever I go.
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14%
Power is nice... but wealth is better. I'll use my abilities to make myself richer.
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5%
These powers are best used in the defense of my country and the pursuit of it's goals. My power shall amplify my patriotism and secure the future of my nation.
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13%
Honestly this world sucks. I'll just destroy it and build a new one. I can do that, right?
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1%
I'll probably just spend my life meditating. I'm not that ambitious, y'know?
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6%
THE REVOLUTION CANNOT BE STOPPED!
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10%
I'd... I dunno... meet Hasselhoff?
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16%
 
Total votes : 83

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Postby Atheris » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:50 am

Punished UMN wrote:Count Dooku did literally nothing wrong.

Neither did Palpatine.



I'd go "...that's fucking awesome," right? It'd be super convenient. Not the most convenient fantasy/sci-fi power, but still convenient nonetheless.



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Bassoe wrote:Does Force Chocking work over a screen? Timothy Zahn's Outbound Flight novel had C'Baoth doing it, but I'm not sure of the canonical status of such a power. And that was a two-way video communication link between the bridges of two starships, would it work on a broad-sourced video broadcast not directed at me personally?


I mean. Vader does it over a screen too.

That's... not my throat...
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:52 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Purpelia wrote:But that would let people know I am using evil magic to manipulate them and ruin their lives for fun and profit. :(

So making everyone take their pants off to ride the subway is out?

Do it to others all you want. God knows I would. All I am saying is that I wouldn't want to be around when it happens lest I stick out and get noticed as the instigator. Even gods have to keep a low profile lest their abuse be noticed. If you want to force people out of their pants better to do it in a safer more private place before erasing their memory of the event and the hour or so that happens immediately afterward.

I mean sure, with enough time and effort you could become strong enough to drive off all authorities and assassins and paparazzi. But do you really want to invest that much into this? And do you really want to have to deal with all that hassle?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:52 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Will you live the life of a Jedi, a Sith, or something else entirely?

Since this scenario seems to be being applied to our world, concepts like "Sith" etc wouldn't apply. We'd likely only interpret the use of the various powers through our own moral, ethical, and legal frameworks.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:56 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Will you live the life of a Jedi, a Sith, or something else entirely?

Since this scenario seems to be being applied to our world, concepts like "Sith" etc wouldn't apply. We'd likely only interpret the use of the various powers through our own moral, ethical, and legal frameworks.

Honestly I think that in this context better terms would be superhero and supervillain. Or in my case Evil Wizard.
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Quebec-Libre » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:06 am

Andsed wrote:Start my own Jedi Order, but with healthy views on emotion and providing access to therapy for all members.

Count me in as long as there's free cookies.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:09 am

Andsed wrote:Start my own Jedi Order, but with healthy views on emotion and providing access to therapy for all members.

Time for my Sith order to beat yours
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:18 am

Punished UMN wrote:Count Dooku did literally nothing wrong.


Well, he played himself right into Palpatine's hands.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm going full Sith and I'm creating a Solar and eventually Galactic Empire dammit

Same. Darth Therm shall rule the galaxy and we shall have peace

The oppression of the Sith will never return.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:25 am

Andsed wrote:Start my own Jedi Order, but with healthy views on emotion and providing access to therapy for all members.

I’d join the Jedi order.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Same. Darth Therm shall rule the galaxy and we shall have peace

The oppression of the Sith will never return.

The Sith are far better than the Jedi.

Besides who cares about being a goody two shoes when I can be Galactic Emperor of the Milky Way or founder of the Sith order.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The oppression of the Sith will never return.

The Sith are far better than the Jedi.

Besides who cares about being a goody two shoes when I can be Galactic Emperor of the Milky Way or founder of the Sith order.


Fine a showdown between Master Lumen and Darth Therm it shall be.

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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:01 am

I’d destroy all copies of star wars
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:11 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Bassoe wrote:Does Force Chocking work over a screen? Timothy Zahn's Outbound Flight novel had C'Baoth doing it, but I'm not sure of the canonical status of such a power. And that was a two-way video communication link between the bridges of two starships, would it work on a broad-sourced video broadcast not directed at me personally?


I mean. Vader does it over a screen too.

But is Vader at Gunnery Sergeant Hartman levels of Force choking?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:42 pm

Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:I’d destroy all copies of star wars


Literally worse than a Sith Lord.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:53 pm

The Force is ultimately meaningless to me if it can't help me compile my code without bugs on the first try.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:08 pm

To what extent would Force powers help with League of Legends?

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:35 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Start my own Jedi Order, but with healthy views on emotion and providing access to therapy for all members.

Time for my Sith order to beat yours

You people go on ahead and have your little spat. Meanwhile I'll sit back, keep a low profile and abuse people using mind control for fun and profit.

Seriously, this whole ideological thing is tiresome. The jedi are boring self absorbed self righteous dogodders that are happy to kidnap children, brainwash and mind control people and even kill if it suits their agenda but newer use their powers to service #1 because THAT would be the bad thing. And the sith are just as bad. They are essentially evil monks of evilness for evils sake. All they both care about is the big picture and the galaxy. Forget that.

Real power isn't in making peoples lives better or making your self emperor. It's in having control over your own life. Real power is walking into a shop, waving your hand over the counter and making everyone become utterly convinced you used a pay card when in fact you just walked out with a full shopping cart without paying. Real power is using your super force reflexes to drive safely down a busy highway at 300 km/h in the supercar you just paid for with your credit hand a moment ago and than mind wiping any police officer that tries to ticket you. Real power is having that cute girl next door loose a hour or so of her day every time she bumps into you and having no recollection of the event.

That is real power. And that is the only power worth having.
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:42 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Time for my Sith order to beat yours

You people go on ahead and have your little spat. Meanwhile I'll sit back, keep a low profile and abuse people using mind control for fun and profit.

Seriously, this whole ideological thing is tiresome. The jedi are boring self absorbed self righteous dogodders that are happy to kidnap children, brainwash and mind control people and even kill if it suits their agenda but newer use their powers to service #1 because THAT would be the bad thing. And the sith are just as bad. They are essentially evil monks of evilness for evils sake. All they both care about is the big picture and the galaxy. Forget that.

Real power isn't in making peoples lives better or making your self emperor. It's in having control over your own life. Real power is walking into a shop, waving your hand over the counter and making everyone become utterly convinced you used a pay card when in fact you just walked out with a full shopping cart without paying. Real power is using your super force reflexes to drive safely down a busy highway at 300 km/h in the supercar you just paid for with your credit hand a moment ago and than mind wiping any police officer that tries to ticket you. Real power is having that cute girl next door loose a hour or so of her day every time she bumps into you and having no recollection of the event.

That is real power. And that is the only power worth having.


There’s so much focus on the Force as a tool of combat. It always bugged me how Star Wars seemed to mainly view the Force as a military/martial weapon...

You can influence minds. Inject and extract ideas. That’s huge.

The ability to move things with telekinesis, move super fast, and wield lightsabers is cool but in a modern 21st century battlefield, it’s not really a game changer. At best you’d be a slightly more powerful Magneto.

The real game is in intelligence, counter-intelligence, and the marketplace of information manipulation.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:44 pm

Why focus on destroying your enemies with your toolkit when your toolkit is actually well suited to preventing fights from occurring at all (while getting everything you’d want)?

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:There’s so much focus on the Force as a tool of combat. It always bugged me how Star Wars seemed to mainly view the Force as a military/martial weapon...

You can influence minds. Inject and extract ideas. That’s huge.

The ability to move things with telekinesis, move super fast, and wield lightsabers is cool but in a modern 21st century battlefield, it’s not really a game changer. At best you’d be a slightly more powerful Magneto.

The real game is in intelligence, counter-intelligence, and the marketplace of information manipulation.

But again, why would you bother using your powers for such things? Why would you go to war to begin with? Why would you get a job as a spy?
If you have mind control you don't need a job. You can just get people to give you stuff for free and think you paid. But hell, even if you aren't willing to mind rape people or just want to make sure nobody audits you there are options. If you have magical force luck that's good enough to deflect flying bullets with a sword you can just win the lottery instead. If you have telekinesis just go into a casino and cash in. I am sure there is at least one game there that requires a small metal ball to land on exactly the spot you chose. The force simply gives you so many options to retire early and spend the rest of your life living in comfort and safety that I don't see why you would ever bother to engage with the galaxy at large.

I could spend my whole life from this point on traveling the world, living in 5 star hotels, drinking champagne and plucking maidens and nobody would even know I existed. And things only get easier in the SW universe where you really do have the entire galaxy to get lost in. So why the hell do they bother?
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:57 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:There’s so much focus on the Force as a tool of combat. It always bugged me how Star Wars seemed to mainly view the Force as a military/martial weapon...

You can influence minds. Inject and extract ideas. That’s huge.

The ability to move things with telekinesis, move super fast, and wield lightsabers is cool but in a modern 21st century battlefield, it’s not really a game changer. At best you’d be a slightly more powerful Magneto.

The real game is in intelligence, counter-intelligence, and the marketplace of information manipulation.

But again, why would you bother using your powers for such things? Why would you go to war to begin with? Why would you get a job as a spy?
If you have mind control you don't need a job. You can just get people to give you stuff for free and think you paid. But hell, even if you aren't willing to mind rape people or just want to make sure nobody audits you there are options. If you have magical force luck that's good enough to deflect flying bullets with a sword you can just win the lottery instead. If you have telekinesis just go into a casino and cash in. I am sure there is at least one game there that requires a small metal ball to land on exactly the spot you chose. The force simply gives you so many options to retire early and spend the rest of your life living in comfort and safety that I don't see why you would ever bother to engage with the galaxy at large.


I’d say you definitely don’t want to engage with the galaxy at large. The light will then shine on you and you’ll be crushed, sooner or later.

It’s better to profit from the shadows, not overplay your hand, and then sit back and enjoy. Don’t draw attention to yourself, don’t tell anyone you have this Force power, it’s best no one’s suspicious enough to suspect anything. Hence you’d win, but avoid overplaying.

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:08 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I’d say you definitely don’t want to engage with the galaxy at large. The light will then shine on you and you’ll be crushed, sooner or later.

Not really. The jedi are in the thousands in number at best. And they couldn't even notice a Sith Lord pushing his way through politics under their nose. The sith are what... two? The galaxy meanwhile has millions of planets and trillions upon trillions of people. As long as you don't deliberately go out of your way to get onto the news or draw attention to your self and just cruise as I described you should not be noticed.

Same goes for our world if we assume that the proportional number of force users is the same.

It’s better to profit from the shadows, not overplay your hand, and then sit back and enjoy. Don’t draw attention to yourself, don’t tell anyone you have this Force power, it’s best no one’s suspicious enough to suspect anything. Hence you’d win, but avoid overplaying.

Exactly. Just use your luck to win a game or two on occasion to finance your life style. Maybe buy some stocks using precognition to pick the next wining tech company and become an anonymous rich guy like the millions of others we newer heard about. And than occasionally go out and pick up some free groceries or cute thing that wont ever remember walking off with a complete stranger and what happened after that.

Just don't do anything stupid like entering politics, becoming famous, having a giant facebook presence or anything like that and you'll be set for a life of pleasure, high living standards and morally dubious recreational mating. No need to ever bother with good or evil.
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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