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From the info given so far, do you think that Angwang was working for the PRC?

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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:13 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:Indeed.

So why did the Chinese choose NYC? If it's because they have a consulate, they have an embassy in DC too, and there's a Tibetan community in DC.

Probably because NYC is the the largest transit hub in the Western world and almost any potential dissident will have to pass through it.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:19 pm

La xinga wrote:https://abc7ny.com/nypd-officer-arrested-for-acting-as-agent-of-china/6484676/

NYPD officer Baimadajie Angwang, a community affairs officer in the 111 precinct in Queens and a US Army Reservist at Fort Dix, has been arrested for allegedly acting as an agent of China.

According to the criminal complaint, Angwang acted "at the direction and control" of Chinese government officials at the consulate in New York to report on the activities of ethnic Tibetans, assess potential ethnic Tibetan intelligence sources and use his official position at the police department to give consulate officials access to senior NYPD officials.

"None of these activities falls within the scope of Angwang's official duties and responsibilities with either the NYPD or the USAR," the complaint said.

Angwang, 33, is an ethnic Tibetan native of the People's Republic of China and a naturalized U.S. citizen who referred to himself as an "asset" of the People's Republic of China, according to the criminal complaint. Since June 2018, the FBI said Angwang has been "in frequent communication" with an unidentified Chinese consular official he referred to as "Boss."


In one phone call between Angwang and the consular official, the complaint said Angwang offered "to raise our country's soft power" by having the consular official attend NYPD events. He also allegedly offered to provide the consular official with nonpublic information about the internal workings of the police department.

"Angwang also discussed the utility of developing sources for the PRC government in the local Tibetan community and suggested that the primary qualification for a source as follows: 'If you're willing to recognize the motherland, the motherland is willing to assist you with its resources,'" the complaint said.

Since prior to 2018 and through the present, officials say Angwang has maintained a relationship with at least two People's Republic of China officials stationed at the Consulate. One PRC official is believed to have been assigned to the "China Association for Preservation and Development of Tibetan Culture," a division of the PRC's United Front Work Department ("UFWD"). The department is responsible for, among other things, neutralizing sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of the PRC.

Recorded conversations have revealed that the PRC officials has been a "handler" of Angwang. He received tasks from them and reported back to PRC officials.

From August 21, 2014, through August 11, 2017, Angwang called and texted one of the PRC official's cellular telephone on at least 53 occasions. From in or about and between June 2018 through March 2020, Angwang called and texted the other PRC official's cellular telephone on at least 55 occasions.

Furthermore, Angwang has been observed entering the Consulate on numerous occasions during these time periods.

NYPD Police Commissioner Dermot Shea also commented on the situation.

"As alleged in this federal complaint, Baimadajie Angwang violated every oath he took in this country," Shea said in a statement. "One to the United States, another to the U.S. Army, and a third to this Police Department. From the earliest stages of this investigation, the NYPD's Intelligence and Internal Affairs bureaus worked closely with the FBI's Counterintelligence Division to make sure this individual would be brought to justice."

In 2018, the NYPD awarded Angwang "Officer of the Month" for his initiative and public service.


Cool story, but I'm troubled. Why the NYPD? The NYPD, like many other police forces in the nation, are not in the best shape. China could ahve chose a lot of stuff, yet, if this ends up being confirmed true, they chose a random city's police force.

Why do you think the PRC chose that?


Because PRC wants to stir up both far-leftist and far-rightist violence to destabilize America as much as possible.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:20 pm

La xinga wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Indeed.

So why did the Chinese choose NYC? If it's because they have a consulate, they have an embassy in DC too, and there's a Tibetan community in DC.

Why not?

The community isn't the issue, its the separatists they are interested in. If they are in nyc, here they spy
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:20 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
La xinga wrote:So why did the Chinese choose NYC? If it's because they have a consulate, they have an embassy in DC too, and there's a Tibetan community in DC.

Probably because NYC is the the largest transit hub in the Western world and almost any potential dissident will have to pass through it.

no not really, I figure it's more of a target due to the UN being headquartered there along with being the financial capital of the US
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
La xinga wrote:So why did the Chinese choose NYC? If it's because they have a consulate, they have an embassy in DC too, and there's a Tibetan community in DC.

Why not?

The community isn't the issue, its the separatists they are interested in. If they are in nyc, here they spy


That’s probably only a part of the problem. What if..what if..China pays some cop who is probably white to shoot some black person and then pay both BLM and Proud Boys to protest? Hmm..I suspect that this has already happened.

Don’t underestimate PRC influence on both the far-left and the far-right in America. They are both fringe groups and as a result unlike mainstream Republicans and Democrats they do need extra funding and China can provide the funding. This is really why Daily Stormer exists.. Andrew Anglin is just another PRC agent.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Why not?

The community isn't the issue, its the separatists they are interested in. If they are in nyc, here they spy


That’s probably only a part of the problem. What if..what if..China pays some cop who is probably white to shoot some black person and then pay both BLM and Proud Boys to protest? Hmm..I suspect that this has already happened.

Nice imagination there how about you leave problems between cops and African Americans out of a thread about China and spying on dissidents who are also Tibetans.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:25 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
That’s probably only a part of the problem. What if..what if..China pays some cop who is probably white to shoot some black person and then pay both BLM and Proud Boys to protest? Hmm..I suspect that this has already happened.

Nice imagination there how about you leave problems between cops and African Americans out of a thread about China and spying on dissidents who are also Tibetans.

China spying on the Tibetan emigre community is also a serious problem.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:26 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Nice imagination there how about you leave problems between cops and African Americans out of a thread about China and spying on dissidents who are also Tibetans.

China spying on the Tibetan emigre community is also a serious problem.

it is but why mention problems that African Americans are facing today into a thread that's not about them?
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:28 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:China spying on the Tibetan emigre community is also a serious problem.

it is but why mention problems that African Americans are facing today into a thread that's not about them?


Because that may also be related to why the PRC is planting spies in the police force in America which is on topic. Why NYPD? That’s why in addition to harming the Tibetan community. The main reason why PRC has spies among Tibetan and likely Uyghur emigres is that some can be coerced into cooperation in exchange for (temporary) release of their families from concentration camps.

The communists in China did the same during Chinese Civil War. Lots of cops and even police chiefs were communist agents and they caused a lot of damage to ROC defense.

The PRC hasn’t changed how it operates.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:We haven't been doing enough to weed out the ChiCom spies in this country.


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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:We haven't been doing enough to weed out the ChiCom spies in this country.



Yup.
Goetland is not China.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:16 pm

Loben III wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:We haven't been doing enough to weed out the ChiCom spies in this country.


dont want to seem racist do you?


ChiCom support, Sinostatism and Sino-Nazism aren’t racial. You don’t observe such nonsense among third generation folks of pure Chinese origins, Taiwanese & Hong Kong people, or any mixed race/ethnicity person partly of Chinese origins. Sinostatism is a treatable and curable cultural disease, not some hereditary illness.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
La xinga wrote:Why do you think the PRC chose that?


New York is a hub of just about everything on the planet, including dissidents and enemies to the Chinese state. In this case it was a Tibetan loyalist keeping the PRC up to date on dissident activities overseas.

He wasn't the first and he's far from the last. PRC agents have masked themselves flawlessly into exchange students and other groups and we've known about it for years.

He was an Asylum seeker having been tortured by the PRC himself.
I suspect they had his family
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Greed and Death wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New York is a hub of just about everything on the planet, including dissidents and enemies to the Chinese state. In this case it was a Tibetan loyalist keeping the PRC up to date on dissident activities overseas.

He wasn't the first and he's far from the last. PRC agents have masked themselves flawlessly into exchange students and other groups and we've known about it for years.

He was an Asylum seeker having been tortured by the PRC himself.
I suspect they had his family


Same thing.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:19 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New York is a hub of just about everything on the planet, including dissidents and enemies to the Chinese state. In this case it was a Tibetan loyalist keeping the PRC up to date on dissident activities overseas.

He wasn't the first and he's far from the last. PRC agents have masked themselves flawlessly into exchange students and other groups and we've known about it for years.

He was an Asylum seeker having been tortured by the PRC himself.
I suspect they had his family


Same thing. Sometimes PRC spies don’t even start out as spies. They can be blackmailed into spies since it is impossible for anyone to get all of the extended family out of China.

I’m unblackmailable though since I’m anti-Confucian and won’t give a shit no matter what the PRC does in PRC itself. That essentially requires one to be pretty much completely excommunicated by the so-called Chinese community forever. Knowing that Chinese treat non-Chinese and non-Chinese treat Chinese better than Chinese treat other Chinese I haven’t actually lost anything.
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China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Auristania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:42 pm

Why do you think the PRC chose that?
PRC has population more than 1 billion, if 0.1 % of population are spies, then 1 million. You gotta send them somewhere. Ifn PRC sends all 1 million spies to the Pentagon, someone will notice.

PRC wants info re Tibetan diaspora.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
La xinga wrote:Why do you think the PRC chose that?


New York is a hub of just about everything on the planet, including dissidents and enemies to the Chinese state. In this case it was a Tibetan loyalist keeping the PRC up to date on dissident activities overseas.

He wasn't the first and he's far from the last. PRC agents have masked themselves flawlessly into exchange students and other groups and we've known about it for years.


There are lots of PRC loyalists out there. Anyone who isn’t terminally self-segregationist can’t handle the PRC crowd.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Ikania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:50 pm

Auristania wrote:
Why do you think the PRC chose that?
PRC has population more than 1 billion, if 0.1 % of population are spies, then 1 million. You gotta send them somewhere. Ifn PRC sends all 1 million spies to the Pentagon, someone will notice.

PRC wants info re Tibetan diaspora.

This is it. Members of ethnic diasporas, by their very nature, often express allegiance to foreign states, sovereign or not. That can be a great asset for the mother country. Just as there is likely some presence of Indian intelligence monitoring Sikhs in Canada, or how Erdogan relies on Turks living in Germany as part of his voter base, or how Russia likes to invade other countries to protect their "persecuted Russian minorities". China has a vested interest in controlling the Tibetan population in the US, both to promote loyalty to the PRC, and to downplay the Dalai Lama, which will make it easier to deal with the Tibetan Buddhist community when he dies. I'm sure the CCP would definitely like to stoke a little more loyalty among Tibetan expats, or at least be able to monitor ones who might prove troubling down the line. The implications of what the Chinese government is capable of, acting through American agents, is frightening. Not to say we need another red scare, but certainly more vigilance will be required in the future. We can't just expect this to not happen again.
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1) they lost the respect about every other week since Bernie Goetz
2) they aren’t New York’s finest.
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North American Imperial State wrote:Well fuck, there goes any trust or respect for the New Yorks Finest.

:eyebrow:

1) they lost the respect about every other week since Bernie Goetz
2) they aren’t New York’s finest.

1) I did a quick search on him, wow thats crazy.
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North American Imperial State wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:1) they lost the respect about every other week since Bernie Goetz
2) they aren’t New York’s finest.

1) I did a quick search on him, wow thats crazy.
2) oof

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Gee, it's almost like the NYPD is horrifically bad at reviewing the qualifications and backgrounds of their prospective and current officers. Yes, what a mess folks.

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La xinga wrote:Why do you think the PRC chose that?


New York is a hub of just about everything on the planet, including dissidents and enemies to the Chinese state. In this case it was a Tibetan loyalist keeping the PRC up to date on dissident activities overseas.

He wasn't the first and he's far from the last. PRC agents have masked themselves flawlessly into exchange students and other groups and we've known about it for years.


They’re everywhere. The same way Soviet bloc intelligence operatives were on every continent during the Cold War. The global reach of Chinese state intelligence now rivals those of the KGB and NKVD at the height of their influence.
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La xinga wrote:https://abc7ny.com/nypd-officer-arrested-for-acting-as-agent-of-china/6484676/

NYPD officer Baimadajie Angwang, a community affairs officer in the 111 precinct in Queens and a US Army Reservist at Fort Dix, has been arrested for allegedly acting as an agent of China.

According to the criminal complaint, Angwang acted "at the direction and control" of Chinese government officials at the consulate in New York to report on the activities of ethnic Tibetans, assess potential ethnic Tibetan intelligence sources and use his official position at the police department to give consulate officials access to senior NYPD officials.

"None of these activities falls within the scope of Angwang's official duties and responsibilities with either the NYPD or the USAR," the complaint said.

Angwang, 33, is an ethnic Tibetan native of the People's Republic of China and a naturalized U.S. citizen who referred to himself as an "asset" of the People's Republic of China, according to the criminal complaint. Since June 2018, the FBI said Angwang has been "in frequent communication" with an unidentified Chinese consular official he referred to as "Boss."


In one phone call between Angwang and the consular official, the complaint said Angwang offered "to raise our country's soft power" by having the consular official attend NYPD events. He also allegedly offered to provide the consular official with nonpublic information about the internal workings of the police department.

"Angwang also discussed the utility of developing sources for the PRC government in the local Tibetan community and suggested that the primary qualification for a source as follows: 'If you're willing to recognize the motherland, the motherland is willing to assist you with its resources,'" the complaint said.

Since prior to 2018 and through the present, officials say Angwang has maintained a relationship with at least two People's Republic of China officials stationed at the Consulate. One PRC official is believed to have been assigned to the "China Association for Preservation and Development of Tibetan Culture," a division of the PRC's United Front Work Department ("UFWD"). The department is responsible for, among other things, neutralizing sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of the PRC.

Recorded conversations have revealed that the PRC officials has been a "handler" of Angwang. He received tasks from them and reported back to PRC officials.

From August 21, 2014, through August 11, 2017, Angwang called and texted one of the PRC official's cellular telephone on at least 53 occasions. From in or about and between June 2018 through March 2020, Angwang called and texted the other PRC official's cellular telephone on at least 55 occasions.

Furthermore, Angwang has been observed entering the Consulate on numerous occasions during these time periods.

NYPD Police Commissioner Dermot Shea also commented on the situation.

"As alleged in this federal complaint, Baimadajie Angwang violated every oath he took in this country," Shea said in a statement. "One to the United States, another to the U.S. Army, and a third to this Police Department. From the earliest stages of this investigation, the NYPD's Intelligence and Internal Affairs bureaus worked closely with the FBI's Counterintelligence Division to make sure this individual would be brought to justice."

In 2018, the NYPD awarded Angwang "Officer of the Month" for his initiative and public service.


Cool story, but I'm troubled. Why the NYPD? The NYPD, like many other police forces in the nation, are not in the best shape. China could ahve chose a lot of stuff, yet, if this ends up being confirmed true, they chose a random city's police force.

Why do you think the PRC chose that?


NYPD is one of the biggest police departments in America, and considering that America's freely meddling in Hong Kong, this was kind of expected. How would American cops handle Hong Kong riots? There's a wealth of information, why not "borrow" it?
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