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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Bewaffnete Krafte
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:36 am

Floofybit wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:Getting awfully defensive considering they said "they" not "you" when talking to you.

Well who else could they be referring too? Also, what's wrong with being defensive?

They were talking to Nitrana. You know, the person that you said "I think what they mean". They were responding to what you think they meant.
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Postby Floofybit » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:38 am

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Well who else could they be referring too? Also, what's wrong with being defensive?

They were talking to Nitrana. You know, the person that you said "I think what they mean". They were responding to what you think they meant.

Ah, well it was a misunderstanding. Also, there's still nothing wrong with being defensive
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:42 am

Floofybit wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:They were talking to Nitrana. You know, the person that you said "I think what they mean". They were responding to what you think they meant.

Ah, well it was a misunderstanding. Also, there's still nothing wrong with being defensive

Never said there was. Just said you were getting defensive over nothing.
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Floofybit
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Postby Floofybit » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:52 am

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Ah, well it was a misunderstanding. Also, there's still nothing wrong with being defensive

Never said there was. Just said you were getting defensive over nothing.

I didn't interpret it as so beforehand
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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:11 pm

The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:00 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


Story of my life. :lol:
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Other than that, I’m not sure what I am.

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Postby Mattopilos III » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:36 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


Being gay isn't a shield against being bigoted.

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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:41 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great

What page is this on?

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Postby Sordhau » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:54 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


I guess you missed the part where several LGBT people have also been telling him he's wrong but that might disrupt your weird anti-woke narrative.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:56 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you don't want to see who other people are then I would suggest you stay at home and close the curtains.

I think what they mean is that people who are queer are more outspoken about their identity. I don't really care about who you are or who you like, I just care about your personality. You don't see people running around with straight flags saying "I'm straight" but you do on the other side


Uhhhhh.

And people wouldn't fly LGBTQ+ flags around or talk about LGBTQ+ issues constantly if it weren't for the fact that our rights are constantly under attack.
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Postby Floofybit » Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:04 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great

Who are you referring too?
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Postby Drongonia » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:42 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great

Who are you referring too?

Everyone vs you basically.

Sordhau wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


I guess you missed the part where several LGBT people have also been telling him he's wrong but that might disrupt your weird anti-woke narrative.

Are you going to explain what you mean by my "weird anti-woke narrative" or is this going to be another one of your nonsense "shoot from the hip and be way off the mark" type of posts?
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Postby Mattopilos III » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:43 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Who are you referring too?

Everyone vs you basically.


I repeat, being gay doesn't make you automatically not bigoted.
Do you think homophobic gay people don't exist? transphobic trans people? lesbophobic lesbians? biphobic bisexuals? Queerphobic queers?
Those type of people exist. This is like saying someone can't be racist because they have a black friend, but they ARE the black friend.

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:48 pm

Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


Gay people tell other gay people their opinions are incorrect all the time, that's how discourse works.
Mattopilos III wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Everyone vs you basically.


I repeat, being gay doesn't make you automatically not bigoted.
Do you think homophobic gay people don't exist? transphobic trans people? lesbophobic lesbians? biphobic bisexuals? Queerphobic queers?
Those type of people exist. This is like saying someone can't be racist because they have a black friend, but they ARE the black friend.


If homophobic gay people didn't exist my emotional baggage would be so much lighter.
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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:49 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


Gay people tell other gay people their opinions are incorrect all the time, that's how discourse works.


There's a reason the term "transmeds" exist in the trans community after all: it turns out that people who are queer can still be queerphobic in some form, for "not doing it right," "not being really X," or "for making us Xs look bad!"
Shit happens all the time.

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Postby Floofybit » Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:58 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The state of NSG is such that the LGBT Support Thread devolves into a bunch of users telling a gay person their opinion about LGBT stuff is incorrect. Great


Being gay isn't a shield against being bigoted.

I'm not bigoted or homophobic towards y'all. I don't get where this is coming from
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Postby Aumbura » Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:45 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:They "chose" to be "queer" about as much as I "chose" to have ASD or you "chose" to be straight.

Well, I get the intrusive thoughts, but it's also a choice who you marry, so even if you see many cute people of the same sex, you can still marry the opposite if you want to raise a family of your own making, a situation I find very relatable


Multiple things wrong here. First off, being gay is not a choice. Doing gay things may be a choice, sure, but simply being gay itself is not a choice. Suppressing your sexuality and marrying someone you aren't attracted to can cause severe emotional distress, and it seems as though you believe gay people should just ignore how they feel and marry someone of the opposite sex anyway. Homosexuality isn't an "instrusive thought". It's as central and concrete to one's personhood as their eye color and hair color is. Also, same-sex couples can have families. I'm gay, and I plan on adopting and hope to provide my future kids with a homelife that's just as loving as it would be had they been adopted by a straight family.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:50 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:
Being gay isn't a shield against being bigoted.

I'm not bigoted or homophobic towards y'all. I don't get where this is coming from


You do not want gays to try to get equal rights, you do not want gays to show themselves in public, you prefer it if gays just pretend to be straight...

What exactly is YOUR definition of bigoted / homophobic?
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Postby Diaboland » Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:57 pm

LGBT rights are human rights. Take away those rights and you become inhumane.

I'm gonna put myself out here. This is something I usually get a lot of hate and upsetting stuff for, but I'm just going to be brave and take the plunge. Come what may.

I'm a fictosexual.

This sexual identity refers to one who is exclusively attracted to fictional characters, and it is under the asexual spectrum. However, it's not a well-known sexuality and is very misunderstood. I get told a lot that it's not real/valid, that it's mocking LGBT, etc. It's hard to find a safe space within the community that is meant to be a safe space. I've tried to hide it, change my sexuality, try to force myself to be attracted to real people but it's never worked out for me. I really, really wish things could be different.

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Postby Drongonia » Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:59 pm

Diaboland wrote:I'm a fictosexual.

This sexual identity refers to one who is exclusively attracted to fictional characters, and it is under the asexual spectrum. However, it's not a well-known sexuality and is very misunderstood. I get told a lot that it's not real/valid, that it's mocking LGBT, etc. It's hard to find a safe space within the community that is meant to be a safe space. I've tried to hide it, change my sexuality, try to force myself to be attracted to real people but it's never worked out for me. I really, really wish things could be different.

That's really interesting. I hadn't heard of that before. When did you come to that conclusion? Was it a gradual realisiation or sudden? Sorry if that's too personal or anything.

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Postby Diaboland » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:03 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Diaboland wrote:I'm a fictosexual.

This sexual identity refers to one who is exclusively attracted to fictional characters, and it is under the asexual spectrum. However, it's not a well-known sexuality and is very misunderstood. I get told a lot that it's not real/valid, that it's mocking LGBT, etc. It's hard to find a safe space within the community that is meant to be a safe space. I've tried to hide it, change my sexuality, try to force myself to be attracted to real people but it's never worked out for me. I really, really wish things could be different.

That's really interesting. I hadn't heard of that before. When did you come to that conclusion? Was it a gradual realisiation or sudden? Sorry if that's too personal or anything.


It was a very gradual realization. I only learned of the sexual identity this year and am glad that at least there's a label for it. It took me all through elementary and middle school to realize that while every other girl had a celebrity crush or had a "boyfriend", I didn't find people to be attractive, but I felt those feelings for animated and video game characters. I called myself asexual for a while until I found out there was a term for it, so I would say something like "well I'm attracted to characters but not to real people." Ace with an asterisk, I guess. And now that asterisk is its own identity.

Good for that little asterisk.

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Postby Big brained monkeys » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:05 pm

hey guys the monkeys are supporting the LGBT and if you don't support LGBT then your officially dumber then a monkey
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2. your iq increases rapidly why? easy is because humans are social animals and 1 person's iq is a lot smaller then 10 peoples iq combined
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Postby Rivinist » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:21 pm

It is ironic to me how all of this discourse addresses supposed LGBT+ oppression in America when it is the actual alphabet letter community itself prohibiting people from expressing their entitled right to free opinions. I see more people quelled by the media or stigmatized if they do not comply with the new LGBT+ embracement agenda. For crying out loud, if you go to SAN DIEGO CA you will see rainbow flags on top of virtually every building and there is a metropolitan block engravened with the rainbow street. I know because I went and still live near there. The sex issue is getting incredibly bad. Especially in Europe. I do not hate anybody affiliated with this community but rather have sympathy for them. I do not hate gay people, after all, it is a psychological deficit society has fostered into the norm.

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Postby Mattopilos III » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:23 pm

Rivinist wrote:It is ironic to me how all of this discourse addresses supposed LGBT+ oppression in America when it is the actual alphabet letter community itself prohibiting people from expressing their entitled right to free opinions. I see more people quelled by the media or stigmatized if they do not comply with the new LGBT+ embracement agenda. For crying out loud, if you go to SAN DIEGO CA you will see rainbow flags on top of virtually every building and there is a metropolitan block engravened with the rainbow street. I know because I went and still live near there. The sex issue is getting incredibly bad. Especially in Europe. I do not hate anybody affiliated with this community but rather have sympathy for them. I do not hate gay people, after all, it is a psychological deficit society has fostered into the norm.


Those are a lot of words to say "I'm a bigot, but I pretend to care about them."
And it ain't the 1950's - being gay isn't a mental illness.

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Postby Drongonia » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:35 pm

Rivinist wrote:It is ironic to me how all of this discourse addresses supposed LGBT+ oppression in America when it is the actual alphabet letter community itself prohibiting people from expressing their entitled right to free opinions. I see more people quelled by the media or stigmatized if they do not comply with the new LGBT+ embracement agenda. For crying out loud, if you go to SAN DIEGO CA you will see rainbow flags on top of virtually every building and there is a metropolitan block engravened with the rainbow street. I know because I went and still live near there. The sex issue is getting incredibly bad. Especially in Europe. I do not hate anybody affiliated with this community but rather have sympathy for them. I do not hate gay people, after all, it is a psychological deficit society has fostered into the norm.

"I do not hate gay people, I just think they're mentally ill". You could have just said that and removed the pretense

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