LGBT Issues/Support Thread

[Nitrana]

I don’t think someone mentioned this, and its been a few days from the incident, but two people were shot in a gay bar by a right-wing extremist (his father is running on a post for a right-wing party) in Slovakia.
Here’s a link to a Slovak newspaper covering it (I think you’ll have to translate it though):
https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/AUgOLNq ... omenskeho/
Another one:
https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/Dn4CVCM ... k-rodicom/

[Floofybit]

I'm just here to say again that I am right wing, and the assumption that all right-wingers are homophobic is wrong.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

I don't care about so-called religions, mythologies. We have to be tough on homophobia, I dream of homosexual couples who can kiss freely in the vatican and arabia land. I'm angry, I want revenge ! I want homophobes to see this when gays are kissing. Let homophobes believe in their homophobic mythology as much as they want. As a Turkish Social Democrat Kemalist and social liberal, I will continue to be the nightmare of all homophobes.

edit: The politically religious people reading this article will soon begin to vomit anger at me. classical

[Floofybit]

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

I don't care about so-called religions, mythologies. We have to be tough on homophobia, I dream of homosexual couples who can kiss freely in the vatican and arabia land. I'm angry, I want revenge ! I want homophobes to see this when gays are kissing. Let homophobes believe in their homophobic mythology as much as they want. As a Turkish Social Democrat Kemalist and social liberal, I will continue to be the nightmare of all homophobes.

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I don't care about so-called religions, mythologies. We have to be tough on homophobia, I dream of homosexual couples who can kiss freely in the vatican and arabia land. I'm angry, I want revenge ! I want homophobes to see this when gays are kissing. Let homophobes believe in their homophobic mythology as much as they want. As a Turkish Social Democrat Kemalist and social liberal, I will continue to be the nightmare of all homophobes.

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

Don't get me wrong, my aim is not to be hostile to religion, you will not be at the center of my criticism unless you are against the LGBT organization in the secular system.

[Ifreann]

Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

I would have thought that most of the progressive interpretations of the Quran would be coming from progressive Muslims.

[The Alma Mater]

Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

Fun fact: in the Netherlands there is currently some minor outrage about two instances of muslims not supporting gays:

- Several muslim football (the version you play with your foot) players refused to wear a rainbow band "because it conflicts with their religion" despite being asked to do so to make a stand against discrimination.
Note: the band symbolised being against all kinds of discrimination, not just against gays.

- The city of Amsterdam has asked all religious institutions to sign a petition against violence against homosexuals. One of the mosques is outraged about this request. They claim that is because "the request implies that they or muslims in general are assumed to be in favour of violence"; despite it also being asked of churches, synagogues and Hindu temple. In addition, muslims actually ARE responsible for about 90% of the violence against gays in Amsterdam; so even if they had only asked the mosques that would not have been odd.

[Prima Scriptura]

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

Fun fact: in the Netherlands there is currently some minor outrage about two instances of muslims not supporting gays:

- Several muslim football (the version you play with your foot) players refused to wear a rainbow band "because it conflicts with their religion" despite being asked to do so to make a stand against discrimination.
Note: the band symbolised being against all kinds of discrimination, not just against gays.

- The city of Amsterdam has asked all religious institutions to sign a petition against violence against homosexuals. One of the mosques is outraged about this request. They claim that is because "the request implies that they or muslims in general are assumed to be in favour of violence"; despite it also being asked of churches, synagogues and Hindu temple. In addition, muslims actually ARE responsible for about 90% of the violence against gays in Amsterdam; so even if they had only asked the mosques that would not have been odd.

Ironically, the Islamist attitudes coming from mostly Muslim migrants is a result of the left resisting or outright condemning assimilation polices.

[Vassenor]

Fun fact: in the Netherlands there is currently some minor outrage about two instances of muslims not supporting gays:

- Several muslim football (the version you play with your foot) players refused to wear a rainbow band "because it conflicts with their religion" despite being asked to do so to make a stand against discrimination.
Note: the band symbolised being against all kinds of discrimination, not just against gays.

- The city of Amsterdam has asked all religious institutions to sign a petition against violence against homosexuals. One of the mosques is outraged about this request. They claim that is because "the request implies that they or muslims in general are assumed to be in favour of violence"; despite it also being asked of churches, synagogues and Hindu temple. In addition, muslims actually ARE responsible for about 90% of the violence against gays in Amsterdam; so even if they had only asked the mosques that would not have been odd.

Ironically, the Islamist attitudes coming from mostly Muslim migrants is a result of the left resisting or outright condemning assimilation polices.

Or is it the result of migrants acting out because they think the right is out to destroy them and their culture?

[Ifreann]

Fun fact: in the Netherlands there is currently some minor outrage about two instances of muslims not supporting gays:

- Several muslim football (the version you play with your foot) players refused to wear a rainbow band "because it conflicts with their religion" despite being asked to do so to make a stand against discrimination.
Note: the band symbolised being against all kinds of discrimination, not just against gays.

- The city of Amsterdam has asked all religious institutions to sign a petition against violence against homosexuals. One of the mosques is outraged about this request. They claim that is because "the request implies that they or muslims in general are assumed to be in favour of violence"; despite it also being asked of churches, synagogues and Hindu temple. In addition, muslims actually ARE responsible for about 90% of the violence against gays in Amsterdam; so even if they had only asked the mosques that would not have been odd.

Ironically, the Islamist attitudes coming from mostly Muslim migrants is a result of the left resisting or outright condemning assimilation polices.

I never realised you kept such close tabs on Dutch politics.

[Drongonia]

Ironically, the Islamist attitudes coming from mostly Muslim migrants is a result of the left resisting or outright condemning assimilation polices.

Or is it the result of migrants acting out because they think the right is out to destroy them and their culture?

Yes, the right, those people who famously love forcing progressive values on people

Or is it the result of migrants not wanting to accept elements of different culture they don't like? Could it actually be that all human beings are not identical beings who can be swapped in and out of different settings/cultures with no difference? We are not all the same.

These religion-based values transcend lame and petty "left v right" politics.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

What is the general opinion on the LGBTQ+ folks in the UK, especially in the armed forces? Are they as tolerant as the statistics suggests or otherwise?

[Prima Scriptura]

Or is it the result of migrants acting out because they think the right is out to destroy them and their culture?

Yes, the right, those people who famously love forcing progressive values on people

Or is it the result of migrants not wanting to accept elements of different culture they don't like? Could it actually be that all human beings are not identical beings who can be swapped in and out of different settings/cultures with no difference? We are not all the same.

These religion-based values transcend lame and petty "left v right" politics.

Indeed. What the left is also very willfully ignorant that the non-violent Muslim migrants who assimilate at least to a minimum tend to be culturally conservative anyways.

[Prima Scriptura]

What is the general opinion on the LGBTQ+ folks in the UK, especially in the armed forces? Are they as tolerant as the statistics suggests or otherwise?

I'm trying REALLY hard not to quote Archie Bunker right now....

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I don't care about so-called religions, mythologies. We have to be tough on homophobia, I dream of homosexual couples who can kiss freely in the vatican and arabia land. I'm angry, I want revenge ! I want homophobes to see this when gays are kissing. Let homophobes believe in their homophobic mythology as much as they want. As a Turkish Social Democrat Kemalist and social liberal, I will continue to be the nightmare of all homophobes.

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

I'm still looking for all of the people who are choosing to be gay. Haven't found one yet.

[Prima Scriptura]

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

I'm still looking for all of the people who are choosing to be gay. Haven't found one yet.

I didn’t choose to be attracted to the same sex, but it is a choice to engage in sexual activity, and if it isn’t a choice, then it’s rape

[Stellar Colonies]

I don't care about so-called religions, mythologies. We have to be tough on homophobia, I dream of homosexual couples who can kiss freely in the vatican and arabia land. I'm angry, I want revenge ! I want homophobes to see this when gays are kissing. Let homophobes believe in their homophobic mythology as much as they want. As a Turkish Social Democrat Kemalist and social liberal, I will continue to be the nightmare of all homophobes.

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

They "chose" to be "queer" about as much as I "chose" to have ASD or you "chose" to be straight.

[San Lumen]

I'm still looking for all of the people who are choosing to be gay. Haven't found one yet.

I didn’t choose to be attracted to the same sex, but it is a choice to engage in sexual activity, and if it isn’t a choice, then it’s rape

I don't think anyone disputes that.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm still looking for all of the people who are choosing to be gay. Haven't found one yet.

I didn’t choose to be attracted to the same sex, but it is a choice to engage in sexual activity, and if it isn’t a choice, then it’s rape

No one said anything to the contrary.

[Mattopilos III]

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

They "chose" to be "queer" about as much as I "chose" to have ASD or you "chose" to be straight.

Yeah, but this comes from the Christian concept that people were given Free Will from god, so cracking the nut of telling them that it isn't a choice is indeed a very hard one.

[Stellar Colonies]

Newsom signs bill intended to end discrimination against LGBTQ people in sex crime convictions (Los Angeles Times)

SACRAMENTO — Discrimination against LGBTQ people in sex crime convictions will be outlawed under a new law signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom late Friday evening.
The measure, Senate Bill 145, will amend existing state law that allows judges to decide whether an adult convicted of having vaginal sexual intercourse with a minor should register as a sex offender in cases in which the minor is 14 years or older and the adult is not more than 10 years older than the minor.

Currently, adults who are convicted of having oral or anal sex with a minor under those circumstances are automatically added to the state’s sex offender registry. SB 145 will eliminate automatic sex offender registration in those cases and give judges discretion to make that decision.

Newsom’s decision to sign the legislation promises to have both a state and national political impact. Along with opposition from Republicans in the state Legislature, supporters of President Trump and far-right conspiracy theorists have seized on the bill in an attempt to use the measure as a political wedge issue and rallying cry, with some falsely claiming on social media that California is legalizing pedophilia.

Assemblyman Chad Mayes, an independent from Yucca Valley, warned fellow lawmakers about the potential political consequences just moments before he voted in favor of SB 145 on Aug. 31, the final night of the state legislative session.

“This is one of those bills you will take a political hit for,” said Mayes, who left the Republican Party in 2019. “But we also know that it’s righteous and just. This is the time to step up.”

The bill’s author, state Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), said the disparity in current state law that SB 145 will address is a remnant of California’s old anti-sodomy laws, many since repealed, that were intended to criminalize sex between gay men.

The intent of SB 145, he said, is to address cases in which two people close in age — an 18-year-old and 17-year-old dating in high school, for example — are in a sexual relationship. The 18-year-old can still be convicted of a sex offense but should not automatically be registered as a sex offender, a lifelong designation that is an impediment to finding employment, a place to live and other necessities of life, Wiener said.

“It’s appalling that in 2020, California continues to discriminate against LGBTQ people, by mandating that LGBTQ young people be placed on the sex offender registry in situations where straight people aren’t required to be placed on the registry,” Wiener said in a statement Friday night. “SB 145 simply ends that discrimination by treating LGBTQ young people the exact same way that straight young people have been treated since 1944.”

The vast majority of the criticism toward the bill was focused on a provision that has been in the state’s sex offender registry law for decades — the 10-year age gap between the minor and the adult.

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas recently accused California Democrats of believing “we need more adults having sex with children,” and Donald Trump Jr. used the bill to attack his father’s opponent in the presidential race, tweeting, “Why are Joe Biden Democrats working in California to pander to the wishes of pedophiles and child rapists?”

Nathan Ballard, who worked as an aide to Newsom when he was mayor of San Francisco, had said Newsom may have been wise to veto the legislation and recommend that state lawmakers change the provision with the 10-year age gap, given how the Republicans were weaponizing the issue politically.

Dana Williamson, a Democratic political strategist and Cabinet secretary to then-Gov. Jerry Brown, said sex offender registry laws discriminating against the LGBTQ community have been a long-standing problem in California, and she had urged Newsom to sign the bill into law despite the attacks.

Williamson said Newsom will probably come under fire, but she doubted signing the bill would harm him politically given his history of support for LGBTQ rights.

“It’s the double-edged sword of leadership,” she said.

Newsom has been an outspoken champion of LGBTQ rights since he was mayor of San Francisco and directed the city to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2004. That defiant act became a catalyst for a nationwide political battle over the issue that ended when the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the right of LGBTQ people to marry in 2015.

Newsom’s history-making decision faced opposition from the right and in his own party. Republicans pounced on the issue, and some Democrats feared same-sex marriage would energize social conservatives during the 2004 election. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said at the time that Newsom was partly to blame for John Kerry’s presidential loss.

Wiener said opponents have deliberately distorted what the legislation will do in order to exploit anti-LGBTQ sentiment for their own political gain. He noted that police chiefs and prosecutors supported the bill, something he said they would not do if it put children at risk.

Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey helped draft the bill, which was supported by the California District Attorneys Assn., the California Police Chiefs Assn. and the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

“This bill allows judges and prosecutors to evaluate cases involving consensual sex acts between young people, regardless of their sexual orientation, on an individual basis. I drafted this bill because I believe the law must be applied equally to ensure justice for all Californians,” Lacey said in a written statement before the bill was signed by Newsom.

Among Wiener’s legislative colleagues, it was a Democrat, Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez of San Diego, who delivered one of the most impassioned attacks on the bill.

“I cannot, in my mind, as a mother, understand how sex between a 24-year-old and a 14-year-old could ever be consensual, how it could ever not be a registerable offense,” Gonzalez said during debate on the bill on the Assembly floor Aug. 31. “I challenge everybody: Give me a situation where a 24-year-old had sex with a 14-year-old, any kind of sex, and it wasn’t predatory.”

State Senate Republican Leader Shannon Grove of Bakersfield also castigated the bill, posting on Facebook after it passed that California Democrats had “placed protecting sexual predators over protecting our children.”

Wiener called those arguments grossly disingenuous. He noted that the 10-year age difference provision in California’s sexual offender registry law has been on the books for decades and said that none of the lawmakers criticizing the bill have attempted to change the law to address judicial discretion in cases involving heterosexual sex with a minor.

“If it’s been a problem, people would have heard about it. You would have had district attorneys complaining about it,” Wiener said. “It didn’t become a problem until the gay people came forward and said please treat us the same way.”

Grove said she objects to the bill’s removing the provision in current state law mandating that adults convicted of having anal or oral sex with a minor — who might be 10 years younger than the adult — be added to the sex offender registry.

“California shouldn’t go down that path, regardless of what type of sex it was,” Grove said.

Wiener said that he’s received hundreds of death threats because of his work on the legislation and that an adherent of QAnon, a fringe, pro-Trump conspiracy theory, published his home address in a social media post.

Wiener and others who voted for the legislation said weathering such attacks was worth it in order to change a law that they argue discriminates against LGBTQ people.

“I ran for office to try to make positive change in the world, and that means sometimes you get attacked, and sometimes you get attacked viciously,” said Wiener, who is chairman of the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus. “The LGBTQ community deserves equality and we can’t shy away from that. And the Democratic Party needs to stand for something.”

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.

Fun fact: in the Netherlands there is currently some minor outrage about two instances of muslims not supporting gays:

- Several muslim football (the version you play with your foot) players refused to wear a rainbow band "because it conflicts with their religion" despite being asked to do so to make a stand against discrimination.
Note: the band symbolised being against all kinds of discrimination, not just against gays.

- The city of Amsterdam has asked all religious institutions to sign a petition against violence against homosexuals. One of the mosques is outraged about this request. They claim that is because "the request implies that they or muslims in general are assumed to be in favour of violence"; despite it also being asked of churches, synagogues and Hindu temple. In addition, muslims actually ARE responsible for about 90% of the violence against gays in Amsterdam; so even if they had only asked the mosques that would not have been odd.

Yes, I know them, homophobic acts of typical political Islamists. Please, if you see a political Islamist Turk playing the role of homophobic victim literature, tell that person "Don't Forget February 28, 1997". Turkish political Islamist homophobes, will understand what it means.

İrticaya Geçit Yok

[Floofybit]

In the religion I am part of (of Christian denomination) we aren't typically LGBTQ as we stress family but we aren't hostile towards people who chose to be queer

They "chose" to be "queer" about as much as I "chose" to have ASD or you "chose" to be straight.

Well, I get the intrusive thoughts, but it's also a choice who you marry, so even if you see many cute people of the same sex, you can still marry the opposite if you want to raise a family of your own making, a situation I find very relatable

[Neutraligon]

They "chose" to be "queer" about as much as I "chose" to have ASD or you "chose" to be straight.

Well, I get the intrusive thoughts, but it's also a choice who you marry, so even if you see many cute people of the same sex, you can still marry the opposite if you want to raise a family of your own making, a situation I find very relatable

...you can also marry the same sex and raise a family of your own.

[Floofybit]

Well, I get the intrusive thoughts, but it's also a choice who you marry, so even if you see many cute people of the same sex, you can still marry the opposite if you want to raise a family of your own making, a situation I find very relatable

...you can also marry the same sex and raise a family of your own.

Well, yes, but I prioritize a family that me and my partner made, and only me and my partner, and not with outside sources or adoption, but that's just a thing I want.