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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Postby Drongonia » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:48 am

Big Jim P wrote:Guessing this reported gravedig either got missed, or doesn't apply.

It's been a few pages now, so I'd say it was successfully revived?

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Postby Lounarei » Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:41 am

Just popping in to say that as soon as I get my first couple of raises I'm finally taking the plunge and doing E. It is fully premeditated and I would have started over a year ago if I could, but now that I share rent, ain't living with parents, and am back into the work force again, if I keep up (like I know I can) my uh... Not supporting, I guess, but uh... Vaguely "cool, now shush" about transpeeps housemate isn't going to deter the Femmening™ worth shit given I would be well off enough to get an apartment on my own, and still have enough for stuff like food and the wi-fi bill if he dares kick me out over it like a ween.

Been vaguely fem and voidpunk for over 3 years now, so this grungy male body is not cutting it anymore. Your local cryptid is moving up in the euphoria hierarchy soon enough, folks. If the cishet downstairs whine about me suddenly becoming a "trender" I don't give a shit, it's skin on his own back to peel if he wants to pay a two person house's rent on his own.

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:29 pm

Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:35 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Guessing this reported gravedig either got missed, or doesn't apply.

It's been a few pages now, so I'd say it was successfully revived?


Hmmmm No. That last post was December of 2020.

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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:35 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Drongonia wrote:It's been a few pages now, so I'd say it was successfully revived?


Hmmmm No. That last post was December of 2020.

Usually when you see many disabled and deleted accounts; it’s time to start a new one…..

That's true, but it seems a bit redundant to delete/lock a thread that's now had ~5 pages of recent posts due to a rule which only exists to stop inactive threads popping back up.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:00 pm

John Oliver did a great segment on Trans rights and It got me so angry at all the anti trans bills being passed.

Who does it hurt if a teen wants to transition? If it upsets you don't get a sex change that simple but no one has right to interfere in the medical treatment of another.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:04 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.


That’s not going to accomplish anything
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Postby Terminus Station » Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:John Oliver did a great segment on Trans rights and It got me so angry at all the anti trans bills being passed.

Who does it hurt if a teen wants to transition? If it upsets you don't get a sex change that simple but no one has right to interfere in the medical treatment of another.


Agreed, Jon Stewart followed up on this in a recent interview and that there are professionals who are certified in being able to tell if transitioning for a teen is a right move. The checks and balances are there, its safe and the odds of it being negative towards a trans teens development with professional supervision is slim to none. I used to be on the fence about letting Teens transition myself but the data checks out, its fine.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:11 pm

Terminus Station wrote:
San Lumen wrote:John Oliver did a great segment on Trans rights and It got me so angry at all the anti trans bills being passed.

Who does it hurt if a teen wants to transition? If it upsets you don't get a sex change that simple but no one has right to interfere in the medical treatment of another.


Agreed, Jon Stewart followed up on this in a recent interview and that there are professionals who are certified in being able to tell if transitioning for a teen is a right move. The checks and balances are there, its safe and the odds of it being negative towards a trans teens development with professional supervision is slim to none. I used to be on the fence about letting Teens transition myself but the data checks out, its fine.


He even talked a about a trans teen who was not allowed to wrestle boys and when got to college they told him go ahead. You could see the utter joy when he talked about it.

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:39 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.


That’s not going to accomplish anything
I think it will be useful because homophobia is a crime, not a freedom of thought. homophobia should never be justified
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Postby Page » Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:38 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.


A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:57 am

Page wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Anti-LGBT countries should be sanctioned internationally. Homophobic states that try to prevent the concept of love politically should be punished.


A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.


And I'm sure you can back this up with actual representative examples.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Page wrote:
A lot of western liberals and leftists don't even want to acknowledge the existence of homophobia outside of majority white and Christian countries. They are particularly reluctant to talk about Islamic homophobia and if forced to, they will go on a Google quest to find some mental gymnastics about how the Qu'ran is actually really pro-gay, pro-trans, and feminist as fuck.


And I'm sure you can back this up with actual representative examples.

And I'm sure someone like you couldn't give a shit even if they did. You'd just ignore them.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:08 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And I'm sure you can back this up with actual representative examples.

And I'm sure someone like you couldn't give a shit even if they did. You'd just ignore them.


And I'm sure this all has nothing to do with someone being pissed that the LGBT community isn't interested in being used as human shields against accusations of islamophobia.
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Postby Alpistan » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:10 am

I don't hate LGBT+ but it isn't my business to hate or support them. I'm neutral on this matter.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:15 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:And I'm sure someone like you couldn't give a shit even if they did. You'd just ignore them.


And I'm sure this all has nothing to do with someone being pissed that the LGBT community isn't interested in being used as human shields against accusations of islamophobia.

I'm not a new user here. I remember you condescending anyone critical of google when they celebrated someone who said "I think Islam for Osama Bin Laden" and made pro-Bin Laden statements when even non-right wingers were rightfully disgusted. https://ricochet.com/336879/todays-goog ... supporter/ and viewtopic.php?p=28776946#p28776946

You constantly engage in bad faith and I'm calling you out for it.

Page's statement has merit. Some are more willing to tolerate homophobia if the person supporting it is non-white and Christian.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:19 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And I'm sure this all has nothing to do with someone being pissed that the LGBT community isn't interested in being used as human shields against accusations of islamophobia.

I'm not a new user here. I remember you condescending anyone critical of google when they celebrated someone who said "I think Islam for Osama Bin Laden" and made pro-Bin Laden statements when even non-right wingers were rightfully disgusted. https://ricochet.com/336879/todays-goog ... supporter/ and viewtopic.php?p=28776946#p28776946

You constantly engage in bad faith and I'm calling you out for it.

Page's statement has merit. Some are more willing to tolerate homophobia if the person supporting it is non-white and Christian.


But you can't provide any examples of said tolerance because reasons.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:21 am

I technically did provide one right there with that feminist but I never expected you to actually look at it.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:26 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I technically did provide one right there with that feminist but I never expected you to actually look at it.


You pulled out one example from six years ago to prove a point you claim is rife right now. And somehow I'm the one acting in bad faith here.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:28 am

Yes you are. Six years ago isn't that long ago.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:29 am

But yes it is fun to watch Conservatives constantly lay the hate on us then go full on Surprised Pikachu when we're suddenly not down with their claims that they need to remove the Muslims in order to "protect" us.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:32 am

Vassenor wrote:But yes it is fun to watch Conservatives constantly lay the hate on us then go full on Surprised Pikachu when we're suddenly not down with their claims that they need to remove the Muslims in order to "protect" us.

And there the strawmanning starts. I do not support mass deportations of Muslims and neither does Page, nor are we conservatives. We normally go after right-wingers and criticize their ideology and tactics.

Plus American far-right wingers have moved on since their homophobic mask has came off completely.
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Postby Alpistan » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:32 am

Vassenor wrote:But yes it is fun to watch Conservatives constantly lay the hate on us then go full on Surprised Pikachu when we're suddenly not down with their claims that they need to remove the Muslims in order to "protect" us.

Exactly my point!

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Postby Alpistan » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:32 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But yes it is fun to watch Conservatives constantly lay the hate on us then go full on Surprised Pikachu when we're suddenly not down with their claims that they need to remove the Muslims in order to "protect" us.

And there the strawmanning starts. I do not support mass deportations of Muslims and neither does Page, nor are we conservatives. We normally go after right-wingers and criticize their ideology and tactics.

Plus American far-right wingers have moved on since their homophobic mask has came off completely.

That's my point!

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:34 am

I should say that they took the mask off their homophobia and are clearly showing it to the world now, which is what I meant.
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