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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:32 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
They do count. As I said: the broad possible definition. That includes everything from hypocritical hippies like John Lennon to veritable hellspawn like Rupert Murdoch and much more.

Any grouping like that is so vague as to be functionally useless.


Ah, hello old friend! Man some people really have been on here forever, huh?

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Sordhau
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:32 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
They do count. As I said: the broad possible definition. That includes everything from hypocritical hippies like John Lennon to veritable hellspawn like Rupert Murdoch and much more.

Any grouping like that is so vague as to be functionally useless.


Not at all. It's quite useful when you're a Radical Leftist who wants to realize the destruction of Liberalism in it's entirety.
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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:33 pm

I was just about to post "how is this on-topic?", so good timing.

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:33 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:I'm a cis heterosexual male


Wait...

that identifies as aroace,


...what?

but have recently been going through the idea that I may be trans,


Hold on...

whether that is a trans woman or a femme-leaning nonbinary person.


:blink:


???
Yes, identity is complicated. You can think of the former stuff as how I "show" myself at the moment, the latter as what I want to explore.
Which I can't, because, well, home situation...
Can't go around wearing women's clothing at home. Family isn't the most open, as you could imagine.

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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:34 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:???
Yes, identity is complicated. You can think of the former stuff as how I "show" myself at the moment, the latter as what I want to explore.
Which I can't, because, well, home situation...
Can't go around wearing women's clothing at home. Family isn't the most open, as you could imagine.

I wish you the best with that, your family is just going to have to deal with reality eventually - whenever you're ready to break it to them.

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:35 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Any grouping like that is so vague as to be functionally useless.


Not at all. It's quite useful when you're a Radical Leftist who wants to realize the destruction of Liberalism in it's entirety.


Yay, another vague term - "Leftist."
Socialist? Demsoc? socdem? ML? Marxist? Orthodox Marxist? Anarcho-communist? Mutualist? Agorist? Libertarian socialist? Leftcom? Social liberal?
Like... the above doesn't capture the ones I can't remember the name of because they are named after other people, or because their names are so similar to other ones.

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:35 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:???
Yes, identity is complicated. You can think of the former stuff as how I "show" myself at the moment, the latter as what I want to explore.
Which I can't, because, well, home situation...
Can't go around wearing women's clothing at home. Family isn't the most open, as you could imagine.

I wish you the best with that, your family is just going to have to deal with reality eventually - whenever you're ready to break it to them.


Part of the reason I am happy with the idea of moving to Canada - I'll be a whole state away (they wanna move to Saskatchewan), so I have more freedom to explore that stuff :)

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:37 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Any grouping like that is so vague as to be functionally useless.


Not at all. It's quite useful when you're a Radical Leftist who wants to realize the destruction of Liberalism in it's entirety.

When you're lashing out at a vaguely defined everything that's just called being a contrarian.
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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:37 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:Part of the reason I am happy with the idea of moving to Canada - I'll be a whole state away (they wanna move to Saskatchewan), so I have more freedom to explore that stuff :)

That'll be sweet. I assume you're Australian? If so I'd say Canada will be a bit of a better place in terms of societal acceptance and that kind of thing.

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:39 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:Part of the reason I am happy with the idea of moving to Canada - I'll be a whole state away (they wanna move to Saskatchewan), so I have more freedom to explore that stuff :)

That'll be sweet. I assume you're Australian? If so I'd say Canada will be a bit of a better place in terms of societal acceptance and that kind of thing.


Yeah, only heard good things about the people there (imagine I shouldn't bring up their history of oppression of native peoples there but I mean Australia can't talk there so haha), but even if I were to stay here and had distance, it would be pretty good. I am part of an Ally network and have many LGBT+ friends.
The only really issue is the home situation. Had to move back in with my parents due to financial problems (rent is too damn high), so I have little freedom of movement outside of like, uni.

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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:40 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Wait...



...what?



Hold on...



:blink:


???
Yes, identity is complicated. You can think of the former stuff as how I "show" myself at the moment, the latter as what I want to explore.
Which I can't, because, well, home situation...
Can't go around wearing women's clothing at home. Family isn't the most open, as you could imagine.


How you present doesn't match how you feel, you mean. I gotchu. I'm mostly in the same boat but I can at least be open at home thankfully.

Probably better for the TDT, though.

Mattopilos III wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Not at all. It's quite useful when you're a Radical Leftist who wants to realize the destruction of Liberalism in it's entirety.


Yay, another vague term - "Leftist."
Socialist? Demsoc? socdem? ML? Marxist? Orthodox Marxist? Anarcho-communist? Mutualist? Agorist? Libertarian socialist? Leftcom? Social liberal?
Like... the above doesn't capture the ones I can't remember the name of because they are named after other people, or because their names are so similar to other ones.


SocDems, Agorists, and SocLibs aren't Leftists.

But otherwise I'm starting to lean closer toward Communism, potentially Marxism-Leninism but I'm still on the fence about it.
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Transsibiria
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Postby Transsibiria » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:42 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:
Hard disagree.

Just because for example Turkmenistan is officially a presidential republic whose constitution is based on a western, liberal framework, it says little about their actual political realities.


The realities frankly don't matter unless they're an out-and-out Fascist State like Azerbaijan. Even liberal regimes can be corrupt, despotic, militaristic, nationalist, xenophobic, regressive, traditionalist, nepotistic, genocidal, etc.

Liberalism is a broad ideology and can easily be applied to most mainstream politicians and political parties.


You give me little choice then but to assume you have no interest to learn anything about the realities, history and even get blatantly the theoretical element wrong here.

Neither Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan are liberal democracies by most metrics, despite their constitutional order, which is little more than paper thin disguise for their typical form of despotism, which in all those central asian nations has mostly remained unchanged since the early 1990s.

Aliyev fits perfectly into the stereotype of an oligarchic despot who uses nationalist sentiments and even war to bolster the reputation of his own regime domestically and abord. I the case of Azerbaijan we even have dynastic features present.

In a strange twist of history, his late father Heydar was by the way First Deputy Premier of the Soviet Union and member of the Politburo.

Eitherway. I am done here. Have a nice day.
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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:43 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:
???
Yes, identity is complicated. You can think of the former stuff as how I "show" myself at the moment, the latter as what I want to explore.
Which I can't, because, well, home situation...
Can't go around wearing women's clothing at home. Family isn't the most open, as you could imagine.


How you present doesn't match how you feel, you mean. I gotchu. I'm mostly in the same boat but I can at least be open at home thankfully.

Probably better for the TDT, though.


I feel it's better to give as much information on my background so people know what boat I am in, more or less.
What do you mean by TDT?

Sordhau wrote:
Mattopilos III wrote:
Yay, another vague term - "Leftist."
Socialist? Demsoc? socdem? ML? Marxist? Orthodox Marxist? Anarcho-communist? Mutualist? Agorist? Libertarian socialist? Leftcom? Social liberal?
Like... the above doesn't capture the ones I can't remember the name of because they are named after other people, or because their names are so similar to other ones.


SocDems, Agorists, and SocLibs aren't Leftists.

But otherwise I'm starting to lean closer toward Communism, potentially Marxism-Leninism but I'm still on the fence about it.


The funny thing about the term "leftism" is it is vague and nebulous like the term "right". As stated in the Left Politics thread, using a strict dichotomy that was informed by some French seating arrangements centuries ago doesn't tend to do a good job of actually boxing people into camps accurately.
And I mean I don't even call myself a leftist for that reason and more - I'm a post-left AWA.

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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:45 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:Yeah, only heard good things about the people there (imagine I shouldn't bring up their history of oppression of native peoples there but I mean Australia can't talk there so haha), but even if I were to stay here and had distance, it would be pretty good. I am part of an Ally network and have many LGBT+ friends.
The only really issue is the home situation. Had to move back in with my parents due to financial problems (rent is too damn high), so I have little freedom of movement outside of like, uni.

I guess for the time being it's "their house, their rules" so to speak, as dumb as that is. But I hope you get to move out as soon as you can!

Mattopilos III wrote:What do you mean by TDT?

Trans discussion thread. Personally I think you're fine on either.

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Cacatuoidea
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Postby Cacatuoidea » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm

Popping in here to say i'm a closeted asexual, living in a rural town with a transphobic dad and moderately conservative mother.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:What do you mean by TDT?


Transgender Discussion Thread

The funny thing about the term "leftism" is it is vague and nebulous like the term "right". As stated in the Left Politics thread, using a strict dichotomy that was informed by some French seating arrangements centuries ago doesn't tend to do a good job of actually boxing people into camps accurately.


I don't disagree.

And I mean I don't even call myself a leftist for that reason and more - I'm a post-left AWA.


I don't even know what "AWA" means.
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:48 pm

Sordhau wrote:
The funny thing about the term "leftism" is it is vague and nebulous like the term "right". As stated in the Left Politics thread, using a strict dichotomy that was informed by some French seating arrangements centuries ago doesn't tend to do a good job of actually boxing people into camps accurately.

I don't disagree.

Half the issue with poltiical classification or even trying to find people politically likeminded is that attempted boxing people in nonsense. It's brainrot basically.

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Mattopilos III
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:50 pm

Cacatuoidea wrote:Popping in here to say i'm a closeted asexual, living in a rural town with a transphobic dad and moderately conservative mother.


Oof, well I'm there with you friend. They were okay with me being aroace (if not just confused and dissapointed I won't "make them a grandchild), and are the type of people to say they would be fine if I was gay... but how they talk about trans people makes me incredibly scared to ever veer towards that, so I know exactly how you feel.
Funny thing is if I am trans, I would be gay :^)

Sordhau wrote:I don't even know what "AWA" means.


Anarchist without adjectives. Basically I don't prescribe an economic or institutional mode of organization for some nonexistant anarchist "society." Also means I'm agnostic regarding markets or gift economies. Makes ancoms very mad.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:37 pm

Straight, but pondered if I was asexual for a while because I've never had much interest in that or relationships.

Pretty sure just straight though.
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Postby Cacatuoidea » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:27 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:
Cacatuoidea wrote:Popping in here to say i'm a closeted asexual, living in a rural town with a transphobic dad and moderately conservative mother.


Oof, well I'm there with you friend. They were okay with me being aroace (if not just confused and dissapointed I won't "make them a grandchild), and are the type of people to say they would be fine if I was gay... but how they talk about trans people makes me incredibly scared to ever veer towards that, so I know exactly how you feel.
Funny thing is if I am trans, I would be gay :^)

I get the “you’ll meet someone one day” and “you will have kids”
No my feelings are specifically reserved for hugs only.

Wasn’t on my mind before but: was thinking that I may be gender fluid. I have some weeks where I have really bad anxiety and feel really uncomfortable about my own skin. Iv always had this, it had gone anyway for a few years and only started to happen agin 3 months ago. Mum says it’s just teenage hormones, but I’m 17: I know what that’s like.
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Republic Of Ludwigsburg
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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:33 pm

Just let people live like they want to. It is not affecting you in any way, conservatives just want to blame their bad parenting on LGBTQ+.
For me, I am just an asexual (not aromantic) cisgender individual.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:34 pm

Mattopilos III wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Any grouping like that is so vague as to be functionally useless.


Ah, hello old friend! Man some people really have been on here forever, huh?


Some of us have.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:06 am

Cacatuoidea wrote:Popping in here to say i'm a closeted asexual, living in a rural town with a transphobic dad and moderately conservative mother.
It's a really bad situation, I hope you can treat your family. I want to look into the faces of those who are anti-LGBTQ with social democratic anger. transphobia and homophobia can never be justified
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Psychotic Dictatorship

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:34 am

Guessing this reported gravedig either got missed, or doesn't apply.
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