LGBT Issues/Support Thread

[Drongonia]

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Do you really think someone like Mitt Romney in his heart of hearts dreams of exterminating gays in death camps? No, he likely doesn't care and would rather spend his time chasing money. Same goes for conservative candidates in other countries. When has someone like Nigel Farrage indicated he wants this for the UK. Bill English for New Zealand? Scott Morrison for Australia?

Come off it.

My mistake for not differentiating social and economic conservatives. That's on me.

It does get a bit difficult considering they often run under the same parties.

[New haven america]

Ok, so stop avoiding the issue and provide a list of your beliefs, I'll explain it to you.

You're the one who wanted this, so provide a list of your beliefs, or keep using the same boring tactics the right has been using for decades.

This conversation so far has amounted to:
"You're a fascist"
"How?"
"I'm not sure yet"

What beliefs do you want anyway? I might actually give you your list if you make your demands reasonable and your questions answerable.

That's not what you asked, you wanted a reason, you wanted me to explain how your beliefs are fascistic.

And I'm 100% willing to do so, I already know, but I want to explain to you point by point how.

But this is just another tactic of the right, stall, stall, and stall some more. They're currently doing this in Kansas with the abortion vote, and you're doing it here because you don't want people to have easy access to your fascistic ideals.

I already know how, I want everyone else to see how and to get the chance to pick your ideals apart as well.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.

I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.

I think saudi arabia is the most dangerous place because we have to admit that most homophobes are politically religious.

[Drongonia]

This conversation so far has amounted to:
"You're a fascist"
"How?"
"I'm not sure yet"

What beliefs do you want anyway? I might actually give you your list if you make your demands reasonable and your questions answerable.

That's not what you asked, you wanted a reason, you wanted me to explain how your beliefs are fascistic.

And I'm 100% willing to do so, I already know, but I want to explain to you point by point how.

But this is just another tactic of the right, stall, stall, and stall some more. They're currently doing this in Kansas with the abortion vote, and you're doing it here because you don't want people to have easy access to your fascistic ideals.

Ok, go ahead. What beliefs do you want? What issues do you want my stances on? I'm not ashamed of what I believe in, I'll post it all.

[New haven america]

That's not what you asked, you wanted a reason, you wanted me to explain how your beliefs are fascistic.

And I'm 100% willing to do so, I already know, but I want to explain to you point by point how.

But this is just another tactic of the right, stall, stall, and stall some more. They're currently doing this in Kansas with the abortion vote, and you're doing it here because you don't want people to have easy access to your fascistic ideals.

Ok, go ahead. What beliefs do you want? What issues do you want my stances on? I'm not ashamed of what I believe in, I'll post it all.

Minority rights (Including racial minorities and lgbt individuals), women's rights, abortion and birth control access, democracy, voting rights, government surveillance, refugees/immigration, is the enemy to the state weak or strong, etc...

[The Alma Mater]

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Not if it is the party line. It does not matter if the individual candidate you selected disagrees - it obviously is not a dealbreaker for him OR you. Pretending otherwise is extremely hypocritical and expecting other people to fall for such obvious bullshit is extremely offensive.

[Palmyrion]

Ok, go ahead. What beliefs do you want? What issues do you want my stances on? I'm not ashamed of what I believe in, I'll post it all.

Minority rights (Including racial minorities and lgbt individuals), women's rights, abortion and birth control access, democracy, voting rights, government surveillance, refugees/immigration, is the enemy to the state weak or strong, etc...

Huh, it seems we're taking a page from Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism here, eh...

[Drongonia]

Ok, please analyse point by point and tell me how fascist I am on a scale of you (apparently) to Hitler.

Minority rights (Including racial minorities and lgbt individuals)

They should be left alone to do whatever they want. Also, armed minorities are harder to oppress too, so there's that.

women's rights

Women should have the same rights as men, in addition, paid parental leave should be equal and plentiful.

abortion and birth control access

Should be safe, legal and hopefully rare, as people should have access to condoms and the pill the first options.

democracy

It's alright, I'd prefer it to be more transparent and able to be held accountable. Also ban lobbying.

voting rights

18+ citizens vote I guess?

government surveillance

It's a nebulous issue but surveillance online should be kept to a minimum where possible.

refugees/immigration

Low numbers because of infrastructure issues.

etc...

etc...

[Mattopilos III]

Low numbers because of infrastructure issues.

???

[Drongonia]

Low numbers because of infrastructure issues.

???

We don't have the housing or infrastructure in New Zealand to support tens of thousands of migrants. I don't want people to come here and end up homeless with no access to healthcare, emergency services, education for their kids etc.

[Mattopilos III]

???

We don't have the housing or infrastructure in New Zealand to support tens of thousands of migrants. I don't want people to come here and end up homeless with no access to healthcare, emergency services, education for their kids etc.

It's a little vague to say "low numbers."
Also immigrants can bolster the infrastructure to actually provide said services.

[Drongonia]

We don't have the housing or infrastructure in New Zealand to support tens of thousands of migrants. I don't want people to come here and end up homeless with no access to healthcare, emergency services, education for their kids etc.

It's a little vague to say "low numbers."
Also immigrants can bolster the infrastructure to actually provide said services.

That's true, but I don't want them to have to live in slum shacks while they're building their own houses.

[Zerotaxia]

Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Asking because I’m going to have to leave Russia pretty soon

Israel might have what you're looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Overseas_volunteers

Can't say with certainty how LGBT-friendly they are, but Israel has the best human rights among its neighbors by far.

[New haven america]

Ok, please analyse point by point and tell me how fascist I am on a scale of you (apparently) to Hitler.

Minority rights (Including racial minorities and lgbt individuals)

They should be left alone to do whatever they want. Also, armed minorities are harder to oppress too, so there's that.

women's rights

Women should have the same rights as men, in addition, paid parental leave should be equal and plentiful.

abortion and birth control access

Should be safe, legal and hopefully rare, as people should have access to condoms and the pill the first options.

democracy

It's alright, I'd prefer it to be more transparent and able to be held accountable. Also ban lobbying.

voting rights

18+ citizens vote I guess?

government surveillance

It's a nebulous issue but surveillance online should be kept to a minimum where possible.

refugees/immigration

Low numbers because of infrastructure issues.

etc...

etc...

Oh, well, that's odd, given that I asked you multiple times not to fluff up your answers to come across better.

Seeing as how, when we look through your sig to your OOC section, we see very different results. Like how you claim here that democracy is fine but needs some work, which is quite the contrast to your actual views, where you state that democracy sucks and you want a dictatorship. Likewise, you also said you want to keep immigration as low as possible and outright ban refugees.

And more can be found there as well, oh wait, no it can't because you deleted it 10 minutes ago. Well isn't that convenient? Server error perhaps?

I asked you not to lie to me, and all I get are lies, exactly what I expected.

[Mattopilos III]

It's a little vague to say "low numbers."
Also immigrants can bolster the infrastructure to actually provide said services.

That's true, but I don't want them to have to live in slum shacks while they're building their own houses.

I have a feeling that often the reason for that isn't because "there isn't enough infrastructure" or "there aren't enough people to employ to cover the demand," but a set of other issues.
If it was an immigrant problem... then why is homelessness also a pretty big issue for citizens in countries?

[Drongonia]

Oh, well, that's odd, given that I asked you multiple times *not* to fluff up your answers to come across better.

Seeing as how, when we look through your sig to your OOC section, we see very different results. Like how you claim here that democracy is fine but needs some work, which is quite the contrast to your actual views, where you state that democracy sucks and you want a dictatorship. Likewise, you also said you want to keep immigration as low as possible and outright ban refugees.

And more can be found there as well, oh wait, no it can't because you delete it 10 minutes ago. Well isn't that convenient?

I asked you not to lie to me, and all I get are lies, exactly what I expected.

???
My OOC section is right there.

[New haven america]

Oh, well, that's odd, given that I asked you multiple times *not* to fluff up your answers to come across better.

Seeing as how, when we look through your sig to your OOC section, we see very different results. Like how you claim here that democracy is fine but needs some work, which is quite the contrast to your actual views, where you state that democracy sucks and you want a dictatorship. Likewise, you also said you want to keep immigration as low as possible and outright ban refugees.

And more can be found there as well, oh wait, no it can't because you delete it 10 minutes ago. Well isn't that convenient?

I asked you not to lie to me, and all I get are lies, exactly what I expected.

???
My OOC section is right there.

Yes, and it was edited 15 minutes ago to hide your more egregious beliefs.

[Drongonia]

???
My OOC section is right there.

Yes, and it was edited 15 minutes ago to hide your more egregious beliefs.

Take your meds

[New haven america]

Yes, and it was edited 15 minutes ago to hide your more egregious beliefs.

Take your meds

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

[Drongonia]

Take your meds

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

[New haven america]

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

And it took you until now you edit that out?

Anyway, you're boring me, I welcome anyone too look at his actual beliefs and comment at your leisure.

[Palmyrion]

???

We don't have the housing or infrastructure in New Zealand to support tens of thousands of migrants. I don't want people to come here and end up homeless with no access to healthcare, emergency services, education for their kids etc.

Sounds understandable to me. Ultimately if your house can't accommodate guests why bother accommodating them?

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

And by how much have your views changed to render that factbook mostly inaccurate and irrelevant?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

It's too late. Come down into the bunker my friend, there's still two bullets left in this pistol.

[Drongonia]

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

And it took you until now you edit that out?

Anyway, you're boring me, I welcome anyone too look at his actual beliefs and comment at your leisure.

Hold on, so you're telling me you were going to just use that anyway - yet you didn't? You would have just jumped straight to that if I had done anything but copy-paste that page verbatim.

You wanted to try and put on some lame theatre and expect people to side with the guy who is seriously using year-old posts to get his point across about an issue that has nothing to do with the thread topic/OP?

And by how much have your views changed to render that factbook mostly inaccurate and irrelevant?

It's hard to quantify, but it's enough that it warrants a rewrite. Also, I removed the ones he's referencing specifically because I knew he'd do this. My only defence is that "I've been meaning to rewrite that page for about a year" either way.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

It's too late. Come down into the bunker my friend, there's still two bullets left in this pistol.

Thank you, I need the sweet release of death after wasting the last hour or so on and off arguing pointlessly.

[Transsibiria]

Take a look at the Wayback Machine.

Bro literally out here using year-old stuff to argue. People can change their views, you know, right?

It's too late, the Court of Social Justice under Grand Inquisitor NHA is already in session. /s