LGBT Issues/Support Thread

[Floofybit]

What do you epic to be done about it?

WDYM? What does “do you epic” mean?
If you mean what I suppose could be done about it- nothing, really. The best the west can do is to create a safe passageway for LGBGQ+ out of this place and not send us to Rwanda, that’ll probably do it

Yeah, I meant expect instead of epic. Typo. It would be nice to accept (legal) refugees from hostile countries. America needs to step up it's game and fix their immigration problem.

(If we actually had a competent leader)

[New haven america]

Well yes, you're 14, you want to go with the edgiest answer possible.

Tis neither original nor clever.

I'm not 14 lol. Nor am I younger. I only said conservative because that was the best for me and I wouldn't want to say something I'm not

Yes, the death cult that believes you're a prime target is what's best for you, of course.

[New-Minneapolis]

I'm not 14 lol. Nor am I younger. I only said conservative because that was the best for me and I wouldn't want to say something I'm not

Yes, the death cult that believes you're a prime target is what's best for you, of course.

What makes you think they’re 14?

[Czardas]

I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.

Russia's a very dangerous place for queer people but I'll note that Saudi Arabia is definitely worse, where gay people are just straight up killed

Indeed. Worth noting that at least up to a few years ago, despite widespread homophobic/transphobic incitement by the Russian government and increasing hostility among the majority, St. Petersburg was one of the most gay-friendly cities in Europe. I do not know if that's still true, although Russian friends claim it's still much more liberal in that respect than anywhere else.

There is no comparable haven of tolerance anywhere in the Gulf states as far as I know. (By comparison, even in Iran, where homosexuality is also illegal, there is a sizeable LGBTQ+ community in Tehran which attracts internal migrants from all over the country.)

[Rakhalia]

Russia's a very dangerous place for queer people but I'll note that Saudi Arabia is definitely worse, where gay people are just straight up killed

Indeed. Worth noting that at least up to a few years ago, despite widespread homophobic/transphobic incitement by the Russian government and increasing hostility among the majority, St. Petersburg was one of the most gay-friendly cities in Europe. I do not know if that's still true, although Russian friends claim it's still much more liberal in that respect than anywhere else.

There is no comparable haven of tolerance anywhere in the Gulf states as far as I know. (By comparison, even in Iran, where homosexuality is also illegal, there is a sizeable LGBTQ+ community in Tehran which attracts internal migrants from all over the country.)

Yeah, queer communites are quite notably resilient -- nothing short of total illegalisation and the ability to totally enforce it will stop *public* queer communities from forming.

[Necroghastia]

throwing ppl in american prison for "sodomy" like most of you lot want is torture

Only a tiny minority want to re-criminalize sodomy. The most they want is similar to what Thatcher’s government did with Section 28

The most they want is to restrict trans people playing sports. Wait, no, the most they want is to keep trans minors from accessing any kind of affirming care. No, wait, the most they want is to keep minors from knowing about LGBT topics. The most they want is to keep queer people from adopting. The most they want keeps getting exponentially more out of hand, and it's naivety like "just a tiny minority" that is enabling the problem to keep growing until it's too late.

[Farnhamia]

Only a tiny minority want to re-criminalize sodomy. The most they want is similar to what Thatcher’s government did with Section 28

The most they want is to restrict trans people playing sports. Wait, no, the most they want is to keep trans minors from accessing any kind of affirming care. No, wait, the most they want is to keep minors from knowing about LGBT topics. The most they want is to keep queer people from adopting. The most they want keeps getting exponentially more out of hand, and it's naivety like "just a tiny minority" that is enabling the problem to keep growing until it's too late.

And just like that ... https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pol ... -rcna53064

Congressional Republicans introduced what some are calling a national version of Florida’s Parental Rights in Education bill — or what critics have dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

Rep. Mike Johnson of Louisiana and 32 other Republican members of Congress on Tuesday introduced the Stop the Sexualization of Children Act of 2022, which would prohibit the use of federal funds “to develop, implement, facilitate, or fund any sexually-oriented program, event, or literature for children under the age of 10, and for other purposes.”

The bill defines “sexually-oriented material” as “any depiction, description, or simulation of sexual activity, any lewd or lascivious depiction or description of human genitals, or any topic involving gender identity, gender dysphoria, transgenderism, sexual orientation, or related subjects.”

The sweeping legislation would affect all federally funded facilities and programs, which would include public libraries, federally funded schools, military bases and hospitals. It would prohibit schools, for example, from providing sex education or library books that include LGBTQ topics to children under 10. It would also bar public libraries from using funds to host Drag Story Hour events — a national program started in 2015 in which drag performers read children’s books to kids.

Johnson described the bill as “commonsense.”

“The Democrat Party and their cultural allies are on a misguided crusade to immerse young children in sexual imagery and radical gender ideology,” he said in a statement. “No federal tax dollars should go to any federal, state, or local government agencies, or private organizations that intentionally expose children under 10 years of age to sexually explicit material.”

Some critics on social media have called the bill a version of Florida’s recently enacted Parental Rights in Education law “on steroids.”

The rest is at the linked NBC News page.

[Ifreann]

Only a tiny minority want to re-criminalize sodomy. The most they want is similar to what Thatcher’s government did with Section 28

The most they want is to restrict trans people playing sports. Wait, no, the most they want is to keep trans minors from accessing any kind of affirming care. No, wait, the most they want is to keep minors from knowing about LGBT topics. The most they want is to keep queer people from adopting. The most they want keeps getting exponentially more out of hand, and it's naivety like "just a tiny minority" that is enabling the problem to keep growing until it's too late.

The right said that legalising gay marriage would lead to people marrying dogs and toasters. But since 2015 there has been no big headline change in marriage laws, even though the US really needs to get a handle on child marriages.

Contrariwise, trans activists have been warning since 2015 that the then sudden rally of opposition to their rights was not just about bathroom bills, and since then we have seen bathroom bills turn to such insane shit as legal requirements that little girls who want to play school sports be subject to digital inspections of their vaginas to determine if they have a uterus.

[Floofybit]

I'm not 14 lol. Nor am I younger. I only said conservative because that was the best for me and I wouldn't want to say something I'm not

Yes, the death cult that believes you're a prime target is what's best for you, of course.

Ah yes, death cult

I'm am a prime target, eh? Then why haven't I had any personal experiences with it?

[New haven america]

Yes, the death cult that believes you're a prime target is what's best for you, of course.

Ah yes, death cult

I'm am a prime target, eh? Then why haven't I had any personal experiences with it?

You've parroted their points yourself.

Just cause you experience cognitive dissonance doesn't mean something didn't happen. Makes it more likely, in fact.

[Floofybit]

Ah yes, death cult

I'm am a prime target, eh? Then why haven't I had any personal experiences with it?

You've parroted their points yourself.

Just cause you experience cognitive dissonance doesn't mean something didn't happen. Makes it more likely, in fact.

No... I don't recall at any point being a prime target for this "discrimination." Maybe I'm missing it? What do you expect to be happening to me in this "death cult"

[Drongonia]

Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Asking because I’m going to have to leave Russia pretty soon

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Also the LGBTQ+ propaganda ban will be approved in the Russian mocking of a parliament pretty soon

Why specifically the military?

[Palmyrion]

You've parroted their points yourself.

Just cause you experience cognitive dissonance doesn't mean something didn't happen. Makes it more likely, in fact.

No... I don't recall at any point being a prime target for this "discrimination."

Either you're living atop an ivory tower, or you're just pretty goddamned lucky.

You do realize I, as a Filipino, don't carry a couple of arnis sticks with me for no reason? Guns are banned here (and getting a license to own one is a lengthy process), anti-gay violence is the norm, what do you think should I do then?

Maybe I'm missing it? What do you expect to be happening to me in this "death cult"

Leopards Eating People's Faces Party

[Drongonia]

No... I don't recall at any point being a prime target for this "discrimination."

Either you're living atop an ivory tower, or you're just pretty goddamned lucky.

You do realize I, as a Filipino, don't carry a couple of arnis sticks with me for no reason? Guns are banned here (and getting a license to own one is a lengthy process), anti-gay violence is the norm, what do you think should I do then?

Maybe I'm missing it? What do you expect to be happening to me in this "death cult"

Leopards Eating People's Faces Party

To be fair to Floofybit I've never seen an act of anti-gay violence in my country either. I don't know where he lives but if it's somewhere in the West it's completely plausible to expect to never have seen or experienced any.

Your experiences are not universal, fortunately - and neither are ours (unfortunately).

It's the reason why people who are LGBT+ can sometimes feel comfortable endorsing more conservative candidates for political office. It's completely outside the Overton Window in a lot of places to start invoking anti-LGBT violence, regardless of what party you're in.

[Palmyrion]

To be fair to Floofybit I've never seen an act of anti-gay violence in my country either. I don't know where he lives but if it's somewhere in the West it's completely plausible to expect to never have seen or experienced any.

Your experiences are not universal, fortunately - and neither are ours (unfortunately).

It's the reason why people who are LGBT+ can sometimes feel comfortable endorsing more conservative candidates for political office. It's completely outside the Overton Window in a lot of places to start invoking anti-LGBT violence, regardless of what party you're in.

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

[The H Corporation]

To be fair to Floofybit I've never seen an act of anti-gay violence in my country either. I don't know where he lives but if it's somewhere in the West it's completely plausible to expect to never have seen or experienced any.

Your experiences are not universal, fortunately - and neither are ours (unfortunately).

It's the reason why people who are LGBT+ can sometimes feel comfortable endorsing more conservative candidates for political office. It's completely outside the Overton Window in a lot of places to start invoking anti-LGBT violence, regardless of what party you're in.

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

Believe it or not, they exist. Very few (I think), but they exist

[Palmyrion]

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

Believe it or not, they exist. Very few (I think), but they exist

And they control SCOTUS.

[Drongonia]

To be fair to Floofybit I've never seen an act of anti-gay violence in my country either. I don't know where he lives but if it's somewhere in the West it's completely plausible to expect to never have seen or experienced any.

Your experiences are not universal, fortunately - and neither are ours (unfortunately).

It's the reason why people who are LGBT+ can sometimes feel comfortable endorsing more conservative candidates for political office. It's completely outside the Overton Window in a lot of places to start invoking anti-LGBT violence, regardless of what party you're in.

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Do you really think someone like Mitt Romney in his heart of hearts dreams of exterminating gays in death camps? No, he likely doesn't care and would rather spend his time chasing money. Same goes for conservative candidates in other countries. When has someone like Nigel Farrage indicated he wants this for the UK. Bill English for New Zealand? Scott Morrison for Australia?

Come off it.

[New haven america]

Why would LGBT people endorse conservative candidates even? It's like Jews endorsing Hitler, or women in the US supporting the abolition of the 19th Amendment.

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Do you really think someone like Mitt Romney in his heart of hearts dreams of exterminating gays in death camps? No, he likely doesn't care and would rather spend his time chasing money. Same goes for conservative candidates in other countries. When has someone like Nigel Farrage indicated he wants this for the UK. Bill English for New Zealand? Scott Morrison for Australia?

Come off it.

Yes.

[Drongonia]

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Do you really think someone like Mitt Romney in his heart of hearts dreams of exterminating gays in death camps? No, he likely doesn't care and would rather spend his time chasing money. Same goes for conservative candidates in other countries. When has someone like Nigel Farrage indicated he wants this for the UK. Bill English for New Zealand? Scott Morrison for Australia?

Come off it.

Yes.

How's he supposed to make money off that?

Also, when has he ever said anything that would indicate so?

[The H Corporation]

Believe it or not, they exist. Very few (I think), but they exist

And they control SCOTUS.

I mean, just like there were males advocating for women's rights in the XIX century there were women who were against it.

Just because you are part of a certain group doesn't mean you approve of everything the group wants

[Senkaku]

I'm am a prime target, eh? Then why haven't I had any personal experiences with it?

give it time

Do you really think someone like Mitt Romney in his heart of hearts dreams of exterminating gays in death camps? No, he likely doesn't care and would rather spend his time chasing money.

This is sort of the point-- even if it isn't the top priority of relatively moderate pro-business types like him, he's happy to remain part of a political project full of people for whom it is a long-held dream, and if they start getting more and more of their way, he's going to continue not caring and chasing money. To act like Mitt Romney or anyone of his ilk is in the driver's seat of the GOP specifically or the American right generally at this point is patently absurd.

Like I said, not every conservative candidate is calling for anything similar. Comparing the average conservative political candidate to an anti-LGBT candidate is absurd and frankly extremely offensive.

Who is this "average conservative candidate" you're speaking about here? It sounds very much to me like you've created an image of a moderate pro-business type with no strong beliefs on social issues that is not at all related to the reality of the culture war occurring across the Anglosphere and the West generally, mostly to assuage your own doubts about the increasingly genocidal tilt of your whole tendency's rhetoric.

[Meguminsk]

I have a question, and please don't take it as anything malicious I'm just genuinely and sincerely asking for advice.

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My friend just recently came out and I've been meaning to ask how should I address him (or her?) now.
I come from quite a conservative family but I never really did latch on to their ideology but I guess it still somewhat seeped into my brain as I'm a bit apprehensive about coming up to him (or her) and asking about it.
fuck idk what to do man, please help

[The H Corporation]

I have a question, and please don't take it as anything malicious I'm just genuinely and sincerely asking for advice.

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My friend just recently came out and I've been meaning to ask how should I address him (or her?) now.
I come from quite a conservative family but I never really did latch on to their ideology but I guess it still somewhat seeped into my brain as I'm a bit apprehensive about coming up to him (or her) and asking about it.
fuck idk what to do man, please help

Easy, just ask him what pronouns he/she/they feels himself/herself/themselves as, and just act normally as you used to before he/she/they came out. Or just address him/her/them by their name, it is easier and less complicated

[Meguminsk]

I have a question, and please don't take it as anything malicious I'm just genuinely and sincerely asking for advice.

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My friend just recently came out and I've been meaning to ask how should I address him (or her?) now.
I come from quite a conservative family but I never really did latch on to their ideology but I guess it still somewhat seeped into my brain as I'm a bit apprehensive about coming up to him (or her) and asking about it.
fuck idk what to do man, please help

Easy, just ask him what pronouns he/she/they feels himself/herself/themselves as, and just act normally as you used to before he/she/they came out. Or just address him/her/them by their name, it is easier and less complicated

thank you very much!! will do