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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:55 am

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No, this was my choice and was comforting to know that is was also how others around me thought


Really? Because from what you're saying it seems more like you grew up in an insulated environment--an echochamber, if you will--where alternative thought simply didn't exist.

What are you getting at? You trying to turn me into something I'm not?

There was definitely alternate thought, but I was in the place I fit it, and it just so happened to be the majority
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:56 am

Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Asking because I’m going to have to leave Russia pretty soon


Also the LGBTQ+ propaganda ban will be approved in the Russian mocking of a parliament pretty soon
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:58 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Asking because I’m going to have to leave Russia pretty soon


Also the LGBTQ+ propaganda ban will be approved in the Russian mocking of a parliament pretty soon

I'm sorry! Russia sounds like a hellhole right now
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Postby The H Corporation » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:05 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Asking because I’m going to have to leave Russia pretty soon


Also the LGBTQ+ propaganda ban will be approved in the Russian mocking of a parliament pretty soon

Good luck Laka, have safe leave
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:07 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Are there any militaries in first-world countries that accept refugees into their ranks?

Almost certainly not.

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Postby West Bromwich Holme » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:28 pm

Russia needs to stop this LGBTQ+ propaganda ban and overturn that law when it can do so; their parliament should be focusing on issues like the Ukraine war and ending it, LGBTQ+ people are doing no harm to society and we are a group who needs as much support as people in poverty, domestic abuse etc.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:36 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:Russia needs to stop this LGBTQ+ propaganda ban and overturn that law when it can do so; their parliament should be focusing on issues like the Ukraine war and ending it, LGBTQ+ people are doing no harm to society and we are a group who needs as much support as people in poverty, domestic abuse etc.

Yeah but messrs. Vlad P. and Vlad Gundyayev think y'all're a bunch of Untermenschen who should burn in a concentration camp and they're the guys in charge so

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:49 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
West Bromwich Holme wrote:Russia needs to stop this LGBTQ+ propaganda ban and overturn that law when it can do so; their parliament should be focusing on issues like the Ukraine war and ending it, LGBTQ+ people are doing no harm to society and we are a group who needs as much support as people in poverty, domestic abuse etc.

Yeah but messrs. Vlad P. and Vlad Gundyayev think y'all're a bunch of Untermenschen who should burn in a concentration camp and they're the guys in charge so

If only Russia wasnt a dictatorship.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:03 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:Russia needs to stop this LGBTQ+ propaganda ban and overturn that law when it can do so; their parliament should be focusing on issues like the Ukraine war and ending it, LGBTQ+ people are doing no harm to society and we are a group who needs as much support as people in poverty, domestic abuse etc.


Being extremely anti-LGBT is now part of Russian national identity. It’s only going to get worse
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Postby Lounarei » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:13 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yeah but messrs. Vlad P. and Vlad Gundyayev think y'all're a bunch of Untermenschen who should burn in a concentration camp and they're the guys in charge so

If only Russia wasnt a dictatorship.

I really should not be suggesting a violent coup of a fascist-lite dictatorship (even if it is the morally right thing to do), however... I would not be opposed to Ukraine blowing the Federation out so fucking hard the Ozarks loose all support.

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Postby West Bromwich Holme » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:29 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
West Bromwich Holme wrote:Russia needs to stop this LGBTQ+ propaganda ban and overturn that law when it can do so; their parliament should be focusing on issues like the Ukraine war and ending it, LGBTQ+ people are doing no harm to society and we are a group who needs as much support as people in poverty, domestic abuse etc.


Being extremely anti-LGBT is now part of Russian national identity. It’s only going to get worse


I suppose right now the average Russian worries more about the country's growing isolation and sanctions and economic crises more than LGBT issues... unless I'm wrong somewhere.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:36 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Being extremely anti-LGBT is now part of Russian national identity. It’s only going to get worse


I suppose right now the average Russian worries more about the country's growing isolation and sanctions and economic crises more than LGBT issues... unless I'm wrong somewhere.


The average Russian is either indifferent or strongly supports Putin’s regime.
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Postby West Bromwich Holme » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:53 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:The average Russian is either indifferent or strongly supports Putin’s regime.


I thought they were dissatisfied with things and want Putin out of office but can do nothing due to the way things are.
It'd take a lot for Russians to riot the way January 6 was in the US.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:06 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:The average Russian is either indifferent or strongly supports Putin’s regime.


I thought they were dissatisfied with things and want Putin out of office but can do nothing due to the way things are.
It'd take a lot for Russians to riot the way January 6 was in the US.


What does January 6th have to do with this?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:53 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Being extremely anti-LGBT is now part of Russian national identity. It’s only going to get worse


I suppose right now the average Russian worries more about the country's growing isolation and sanctions and economic crises more than LGBT issues... unless I'm wrong somewhere.

I imagine the average Russian worries more about getting drafted and shipped out to get introduced to the business end of a Ukrainian rocket.

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Postby Juansonia » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:06 pm

Floofybit wrote:
West Bromwich Holme wrote:
I thought they were dissatisfied with things and want Putin out of office but can do nothing due to the way things are.
It'd take a lot for Russians to riot the way January 6 was in the US.


What does January 6th have to do with this?

Comparison of methods to establish a severity qualifier for the "It'd take a lot" statement, I guess.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:30 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:The average Russian is either indifferent or strongly supports Putin’s regime.


I thought they were dissatisfied with things and want Putin out of office but can do nothing due to the way things are.
It'd take a lot for Russians to riot the way January 6 was in the US.

Nah- these fellers couldn’t care less. I suppose it’s in this country’s mentality to “cope” with whatever shit their government throws at them. They’ve “coped” with economic recessions, are coping with mobilization and will cope with the rest.
Indeed- the last time they did it took a 3-year-long war to be fucked up by their government
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
West Bromwich Holme wrote:
I suppose right now the average Russian worries more about the country's growing isolation and sanctions and economic crises more than LGBT issues... unless I'm wrong somewhere.

I imagine the average Russian worries more about getting drafted and shipped out to get introduced to the business end of a Ukrainian rocket.

You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:53 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I imagine the average Russian worries more about getting drafted and shipped out to get introduced to the business end of a Ukrainian rocket.

You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.


I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.
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Postby Rakhalia » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:05 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.


I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.

Russia's a very dangerous place for queer people but I'll note that Saudi Arabia is definitely worse, where gay people are just straight up killed
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:06 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.


I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.

As much as I agree with this country being a shithole, I have to note that in most parts of it violence against LGBTQ+ people is not “extreme”- at worse what you’re seeing is immense bullying and offensive behavior. Like, there are places like Chechnya and Tannu Tuva where gay people “disappear” rather frequently because according to the dictator president of Chechnya there are no gay men there, but in general it’s not as bad as it is in some third-world countries with EXTREMELY hostile governments like Iran or Afghanistan. That being said I’d appreciate an asylum, would say many thanks to whatever country is going to give it
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:09 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
I think that Russia is probably the most dangerous place to be LGBT at the moment. There is an active campaign against the LGBT population of the country. I think the Biden administration should start a vetting process for LGBT refugees from Russia. But I want to stress, this shit needs to be vetted. Because LGBT people in Russia are going to be targets of extreme violence and the perpetrators are going to have the full support of the regime.

Russia's a very dangerous place for queer people but I'll note that Saudi Arabia is definitely worse, where gay people are just straight up killed


You don’t see the Russian regime approving of extrajudicial killings of LGBT people. The perpetrator just has to accuse his victim of being a *banned term/topic*and they are going to get off Scott free
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Postby Rakhalia » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:14 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Rakhalia wrote:Russia's a very dangerous place for queer people but I'll note that Saudi Arabia is definitely worse, where gay people are just straight up killed


You don’t see the Russian regime approving of extrajudicial killings of LGBT people. The perpetrator just has to accuse his victim of being a *banned term/topic*and they are going to get off Scott free

Oh totally, but if you put a gun to my head I'd be choosing Russia over Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:00 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I imagine the average Russian worries more about getting drafted and shipped out to get introduced to the business end of a Ukrainian rocket.

You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.

What do you epic to be done about it?
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:13 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:You’d be surprised at the amount of hatred some of them hold for gay people. I suppose that this law was introduced in a large part to soften up and get their spirits up in face of mobilization. Same was done back in 2018 when they’ve “nullified” Putin’s presidential terms via a shitton of amendments to constitution- one of which was an amendment cementing that a marriage is “a union of a man and a woman”. Homophobia is a “go-to” tool whenever the Russian government needs to plough some shit through and get the necessary support. Fuck both the government and the [REDACTED] who vote only to fuck with our lives.

What do you epic to be done about it?

WDYM? What does “do you epic” mean?
If you mean what I suppose could be done about it- nothing, really. The best the west can do is to create a safe passageway for LGBGQ+ out of this place and not send us to Rwanda, that’ll probably do it
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