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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:56 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Floofybit wrote:You think a right winger LGBT person doesn't make sense? Well, you need to learn to be happy with one right here

"Well, you need to be happy with an Imposter, crewmate."


Ah yes, crewmate and imposter. The real two genders.
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Diaboland
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Founded: Dec 07, 2021
Anarchy

Postby Diaboland » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:02 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ah yes, crewmate and imposter. The real two genders.


Thank you for a funny Among Us joke in these trying times

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Ifreann
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Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:10 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:"Well, you need to be happy with an Imposter, crewmate."


Ah yes, crewmate and imposter. The real two genders.

The sus spectrum.

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Necroghastia
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Founded: May 11, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:23 am

Floofybit wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:A right winger LGBT person makes as much sense to me as a Nazi Jew, pro-Columbus Native American, or a pro-Trump Muslim.

You think a right winger LGBT person doesn't make sense? Well, you need to learn to be happy with one right here

Usually someone shooting themselves in the foot is cause for concern for those around them, not happiness.
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Floofybit
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:29 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:You think a right winger LGBT person doesn't make sense? Well, you need to learn to be happy with one right here

Usually someone shooting themselves in the foot is cause for concern for those around them, not happiness.

What point are you trying to make?
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Necroghastia
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:32 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Usually someone shooting themselves in the foot is cause for concern for those around them, not happiness.

What point are you trying to make?

Why should anyone be happy with someone who is essentially self-harming at best and actively harming those around them as well at worst? That's cause for concern, not happiness.
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Floofybit
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:55 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:What point are you trying to make?

Why should anyone be happy with someone who is essentially self-harming at best and actively harming those around them as well at worst? That's cause for concern, not happiness.

How is any of this self harm?
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Necroghastia
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Founded: May 11, 2019
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:57 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Why should anyone be happy with someone who is essentially self-harming at best and actively harming those around them as well at worst? That's cause for concern, not happiness.

How is any of this self harm?

How indeed, is needlessly denying a fundamental aspect of oneself and throwing your support behind the political axis that would see said fundamental aspect of others eliminated, self harm?
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West Bromwich Holme
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Founded: Mar 12, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby West Bromwich Holme » Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:26 am

I am LGBT but right at the other extreme; no pride badges or political activism, but still concerned over the state of things in the UK and US. About the only nod to it might be my current signature on here though.
Pronouns: She/her, formerly he/him as of August 2022.
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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:28 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Why should anyone be happy with someone who is essentially self-harming at best and actively harming those around them as well at worst? That's cause for concern, not happiness.

How is any of this self harm?


Because you want to change something that can’t be and want to be in a loveless marriage.

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Floofybit wrote:How is any of this self harm?


Because you want to change something that can’t be and want to be in a loveless marriage.

I think that all the time but for the sake of a decent civil conversation with a member of the LGBTQ all I can do is reason facts and perspectives with them. That is if they even want to listen to what I have to say or just try to refute my argument at every turn. But may anyone forbid you from saying this to the community directly. And they think they are the only ones with problems in the country and that they should be prioritized over the groups who face similar discrimination longer than them but are not recognized.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:22 am

Rivinist wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because you want to change something that can’t be and want to be in a loveless marriage.

I think that all the time but for the sake of a decent civil conversation with a member of the LGBTQ all I can do is reason facts and perspectives with them. That is if they even want to listen to what I have to say or just try to refute my argument at every turn. But may anyone forbid you from saying this to the community directly. And they think they are the only ones with problems in the country and that they should be prioritized over the groups who face similar discrimination longer than them but are not recognized.

you could start by denouncing Vlad P. and Vlad Gundyayev's hatred.

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
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Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:08 pm

You are following the logical fallacy of red herring. Please do not bring other topics not relevant to this one. It just makes you look bad.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:09 pm

Rivinist wrote:You are following the logical fallacy of red herring. Please do not bring other topics not relevant to this one. It just makes you look bad.

fine then
as long as you do not denounce your homophobic idols you will not be taken seriously in any LGBT+ discussion thread.

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Floofybit
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Founded: Sep 11, 2020
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:10 pm

Rivinist wrote:You are following the logical fallacy of red herring. Please do not bring other topics not relevant to this one. It just makes you look bad.

I don't see anything misleading. It's just an easy question. Do you denounce them or not?
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Floofybit
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Founded: Sep 11, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You can change a physical feature. You cannot change your psyche.

Why not? Can't your opinions over time change? Obviously, this isn't an overnight type thing but couldn't you mold through changing experience into something new?

May I come back to this?
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Dumb Ideologies
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Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:20 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rivinist wrote:You are following the logical fallacy of red herring. Please do not bring other topics not relevant to this one. It just makes you look bad.

fine then
as long as you do not denounce your homophobic idols you will not be taken seriously in any LGBT+ discussion thread.


If you ever find yourself on NSG and taking people seriously then you have gone in the wrong direction and you should turn around as soon as possible.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Floofybit
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:25 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:fine then
as long as you do not denounce your homophobic idols you will not be taken seriously in any LGBT+ discussion thread.


If you ever find yourself on NSG and taking people seriously then you have gone in the wrong direction and you should turn around as soon as possible.

Lol
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Lounarei
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Founded: Oct 26, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Lounarei » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:31 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:fine then
as long as you do not denounce your homophobic idols you will not be taken seriously in any LGBT+ discussion thread.


If you ever find yourself on NSG and taking people seriously then you have gone in the wrong direction and you should turn around as soon as possible.

Honestly I just want the fictosexual back. They were based. I missed them by a day or two in here. Genuinely the calmest "out there" sexuality discussion in the history of this thread.

It/Its

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:52 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Rivinist wrote:You are following the logical fallacy of red herring. Please do not bring other topics not relevant to this one. It just makes you look bad.

I don't see anything misleading. It's just an easy question. Do you denounce them or not?

It is misleading because those people are not primarily what we are discussing in this thread. Which can all in all be misleading because it leads to another logical fallacy of Tu Quo which basically means that just because what I adhere to or perform is contrary to what I am saying does not mean the information I am sharing is flawed. If you have an issue with this do not rant to me about it; but, rant to the scholars who have developed these devices. And he is not asking me a question. He is giving me a recommendation by saying you can "start" so he is basically talking at me, not to me. Alright, so just stop right there. I am already fully aware of what you are trying to do, please do not try to portray me as a fatuous individual. I comprehend all and well what tactics people with this type of mindset are employing to discourage me from speaking. I will inform you all I have decent experience with communicating with this logic.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:55 pm

Rivinist wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I don't see anything misleading. It's just an easy question. Do you denounce them or not?

It is misleading because those people are not primarily what we are discussing in this thread. Which can all in all be misleading because it leads to another logical fallacy of Tu Quo which basically means that just because what I adhere to or perform is contrary to what I am saying does not mean the information I am sharing is flawed. If you have an issue with this do not rant to me about it; but, rant to the scholars who have developed these devices. And he is not asking me a question. He is giving me a recommendation by saying you can "start" so he is basically talking at me, not to me. Alright, so just stop right there. I am already fully aware of what you are trying to do, please do not try to portray me as a fatuous individual. I comprehend all and well what tactics people with this type of mindset are employing to discourage me from speaking. I will inform you all I have decent experience with communicating with this logic.

smh sophist handwaving

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:56 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:fine then
as long as you do not denounce your homophobic idols you will not be taken seriously in any LGBT+ discussion thread.


If you ever find yourself on NSG and taking people seriously then you have gone in the wrong direction and you should turn around as soon as possible.

As for you, I am not aware of what NSG you are referring to as there are a lot of institutions with these acronyms. So you will have to define the formal title.

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El Lazaro
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Founded: Oct 19, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:01 pm

Rivinist wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
If you ever find yourself on NSG and taking people seriously then you have gone in the wrong direction and you should turn around as soon as possible.

As for you, I am not aware of what NSG you are referring to as there are a lot of institutions with these acronyms. So you will have to define the formal title.

National Socialist Gestapo, the secretive fascist cabal in charge of this website.

Or Nationstates General forum, if you will.

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:02 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rivinist wrote:It is misleading because those people are not primarily what we are discussing in this thread. Which can all in all be misleading because it leads to another logical fallacy of Tu Quo which basically means that just because what I adhere to or perform is contrary to what I am saying does not mean the information I am sharing is flawed. If you have an issue with this do not rant to me about it; but, rant to the scholars who have developed these devices. And he is not asking me a question. He is giving me a recommendation by saying you can "start" so he is basically talking at me, not to me. Alright, so just stop right there. I am already fully aware of what you are trying to do, please do not try to portray me as a fatuous individual. I comprehend all and well what tactics people with this type of mindset are employing to discourage me from speaking. I will inform you all I have decent experience with communicating with this logic.

smh sophist handwaving

Thank you very much, User. Hence, an exemplary comment that demonstrates my point. Only does who do not want to see it will not see it but does who do will be enlightened.

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Rivinist
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Founded: Sep 09, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Rivinist » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:03 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Rivinist wrote:As for you, I am not aware of what NSG you are referring to as there are a lot of institutions with these acronyms. So you will have to define the formal title.

National Socialist Gestapo, the secretive fascist cabal in charge of this website.

Or Nationstates General forum, if you will.

Thank you

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