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Which of these best describe your identity?

Heterosexual
255
15%
Homosexual
128
8%
Bisexual
170
10%
Pansexual/Polysexual
73
4%
Asexual/Aro
101
6%
Cisgender
222
13%
Transgender
84
5%
He/Him
396
24%
She/Her
124
7%
They/Them or Other
110
7%
 
Total votes : 1663

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:33 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
change what?

To straight


I always suspected that you were somewhere in the LGBTQ+ spectrum. The answer is simple: You cannot.
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Postby United Calanworie » Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:54 pm

Aumbura wrote:
Floofybit wrote:
Bold quotation is by me


Religious brain rot on full display here.

Aumbura wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I would have thought this without religion ;)


Ah, so you're just generally unintelligent. Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Floofybit wrote:There has to be an alternative right?


There is not. You cannot change sexual orientation.

If you can change sex then why not sexual orientation? Sorry I don’t really know about this stuff
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:10 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I always suspected that you were somewhere in the LGBTQ+ spectrum. The answer is simple: You cannot.

Why not? Is sexuality somehow more immutable than gender identity, which can change?
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:11 pm

Cuba 2022 RP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There is not. You cannot change sexual orientation.

If you can change sex then why not sexual orientation? Sorry I don’t really know about this stuff

You can change a physical feature. You cannot change your psyche.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:17 pm

Necroghastia wrote:You can change a physical feature. You cannot change your psyche.

So, just to clarify, you are saying that an individual cannot change their gender?
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:21 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You can change a physical feature. You cannot change your psyche.

So, just to clarify, you are saying that an individual cannot change their gender?

Not consciously, in my experience. Gender itself can change (see genderfluidity) but the tired reactionary tale of trans people being like "Hmm I Think I Will Be A Girl Today" is bunk.
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:30 pm

Cuba 2022 RP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There is not. You cannot change sexual orientation.

If you can change sex then why not sexual orientation? Sorry I don’t really know about this stuff

It can be fluid but I don't think you can be gay and just wake up one day and decide to be straight (or vice versa).

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:55 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Cuba 2022 RP wrote:If you can change sex then why not sexual orientation? Sorry I don’t really know about this stuff

It can be fluid but I don't think you can be gay and just wake up one day and decide to be straight (or vice versa).


I’ve heard of cases where heterosexual men falling in love with another man, and claim that is the only male they want to be with.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:57 pm

Necroghastia wrote:Not consciously, in my experience. Gender itself can change (see genderfluidity) but the tired reactionary tale of trans people being like "Hmm I Think I Will Be A Girl Today" is bunk.

If gender identity can change unconsciously, why could it not also change consciously?
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:59 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Drongonia wrote:It can be fluid but I don't think you can be gay and just wake up one day and decide to be straight (or vice versa).


I’ve heard of cases where heterosexual men falling in love with another man, and claim that is the only male they want to be with.

In that case that speaks more to the individual bond than the sexuality, no?

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:02 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I’ve heard of cases where heterosexual men falling in love with another man, and claim that is the only male they want to be with.

In that case that speaks more to the individual bond than the sexuality, no?


I guess.
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Postby Floofybit » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:40 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Cuba 2022 RP wrote:If you can change sex then why not sexual orientation? Sorry I don’t really know about this stuff

You can change a physical feature. You cannot change your psyche.

Why not? Can't your opinions over time change? Obviously, this isn't an overnight type thing but couldn't you mold through changing experience into something new?
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Postby Floofybit » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:42 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I’ve heard of cases where heterosexual men falling in love with another man, and claim that is the only male they want to be with.

In that case that speaks more to the individual bond than the sexuality, no?

I had always thought that if the person you want to always be with was the same, you were homo, and if the person you want to always be with was the opposite, you were hetero, and if there were multiple people of differing genders you always wanted to be with, you were bi
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:50 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Drongonia wrote:In that case that speaks more to the individual bond than the sexuality, no?

I had always thought that if the person you want to always be with was the same, you were homo, and if the person you want to always be with was the opposite, you were hetero, and if there were multiple people of differing genders you always wanted to be with, you were bi

...No?
That's not what that means. Homo means you find sexual attraction with the same sex, Hetero means you find sexual attraction with the opposite sex, Bi or Pan is anything inbetween.
If you are attracted to both sexes but your one true love was, say, a female, you are still bisexual.
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Postby Rakhalia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:52 pm

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I had always thought that if the person you want to always be with was the same, you were homo, and if the person you want to always be with was the opposite, you were hetero, and if there were multiple people of differing genders you always wanted to be with, you were bi

...No?
That's not what that means. Homo means you find sexual attraction with the same sex, Hetero means you find sexual attraction with the opposite sex, Bi or Pan is anything inbetween.
If you are attracted to both sexes but your one true love was, say, a female, you are still bisexual.

"Opposite" sex? Are we still on the sexual binary in this discourse right now? How lame.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:55 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:...No?
That's not what that means. Homo means you find sexual attraction with the same sex, Hetero means you find sexual attraction with the opposite sex, Bi or Pan is anything inbetween.
If you are attracted to both sexes but your one true love was, say, a female, you are still bisexual.

"Opposite" sex? Are we still on the sexual binary in this discourse right now? How lame.

Considering I said "anything inbetween" for Pan and didn't say "both sexes", not really.
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Postby Floofybit » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:57 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:...No?
That's not what that means. Homo means you find sexual attraction with the same sex, Hetero means you find sexual attraction with the opposite sex, Bi or Pan is anything inbetween.
If you are attracted to both sexes but your one true love was, say, a female, you are still bisexual.

"Opposite" sex? Are we still on the sexual binary in this discourse right now? How lame.

Also, I wasn't working on binary just because I didn't say pan, I was just getting a point straight
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Postby Rakhalia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:58 pm

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Rakhalia wrote:"Opposite" sex? Are we still on the sexual binary in this discourse right now? How lame.

Considering I said "anything inbetween" for Pan and didn't say "both sexes", not really.

"In between" sexes still implies a bimodal gender model which is just incredibly untrue -- it also is quite harmful to think of certain non-binary / gnc people as "in between" sexes/genders.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:02 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:Considering I said "anything inbetween" for Pan and didn't say "both sexes", not really.

"In between" sexes still implies a bimodal gender model which is just incredibly untrue -- it also is quite harmful to think of certain non-binary / gnc people as "in between" sexes/genders.

It was a simplification to get a point across, my guy.
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Postby Rakhalia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:06 pm

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Rakhalia wrote:"In between" sexes still implies a bimodal gender model which is just incredibly untrue -- it also is quite harmful to think of certain non-binary / gnc people as "in between" sexes/genders.

It was a simplification to get a point across, my guy.

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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:10 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:It was a simplification to get a point across, my guy.

"the US is composed of latinos, african-americans, and WASPs"
"what about asians or natives?"
"It was a simplification to get a point across, my guy."

let's not exclude people for the benefit of... keeping people ignorant i guess

The conversation wasn't about other people, was it? Why include other groups when they weren't relevent? I'm not keeping him ignorant. I really don't get what you are trying to say here, other than insult me for daring to simplify. The field of Sexuality and Gender Identity is a massive subject, and I shouldn't be expected to include all of it in a debate about what hetero, homo, and bisexual means.
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Postby Rivinist » Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Why do people on this thread get so enraged when you do not agree with their views on LGBT? What is it in the mind of those people that prevents them from reaching a consensus? I feel they are the emotional types of individuals who hold dear to them a concept modern society has incorporated in their frame and are certainly not confident in what they think.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:20 pm

Rivinist wrote:Why do people on this thread get so enraged when you do not agree with their views on LGBT? What is it in the mind of those people that prevents them from reaching a consensus? I feel they are the emotional types of individuals who hold dear to them a concept modern society has incorporated in their frame and are certainly not confident in what they think.

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Postby Drongonia » Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:23 pm

Rivinist wrote:Why do people on this thread get so enraged when you do not agree with their views on LGBT? What is it in the mind of those people that prevents them from reaching a consensus? I feel they are the emotional types of individuals who hold dear to them a concept modern society has incorporated in their frame and are certainly not confident in what they think.

Because a lot of posters in the thread (a thread targeted towards LGBT Issues/Support) are LGBT (or at least care deeply about them) so of course they're going to hold their views on such a subject close to their heart. It's not rocket science.
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