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What is freedom of speech?

"Pure" freedom of speech, with no limitations by government or individuals, even for hateful content
265
38%
Freedom of speech with no restrictions by the government, but individuals can censor or restrict others (ie, companies or internet forums can deplatform someone)
225
32%
Freedom of speech with restrictions on hateful speech by the government, but not individuals (ie, the government decides what is hateful, and private companies take this as a guideline)
88
13%
Freedom of speech with hateful speech restricted by government and individuals
70
10%
No freedom of speech at all
23
3%
Other (Please specify in comments below)
25
4%
 
Total votes : 696

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The Monopolies
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Postby The Monopolies » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:59 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Monopolies wrote:Eh. If you give every human the abilty to say whatever they want to the world, expect a cesspool of shit and gold coming your way. There may be things you like, and things you don't like, but most of the time you can fliter or block.
If a website owner wants to fliter content they don't like, that's perfectly fine to me. It's their shit they coded and released, not yours. If you want to post your shit, go find a website that allows that. Like Parlers, and 4chan.
If you want a experience where nobodys an ass, you go to websites like these, or Twitter.
Isn't it obvious enough already?

Last I checked, Twitter was about 90% asshats.


Oh. Make your own Discord server with friends than, your friends won't be asshats.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:59 pm

The Monopolies wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Last I checked, Twitter was about 90% asshats.


Oh. Make your own Discord server with friends than, your friends won't be asshats.

Friends? You think I have friends?
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:00 pm

Pretty much, free speech for everyone. Everybody should be able to believe in something. Except, freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence, so if somebody has a nasty or hateful belief, they shouldn't expect everyone to just go with it because "freedom of speech".
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Postby The Monopolies » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:22 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Monopolies wrote:
Oh. Make your own Discord server with friends than, your friends won't be asshats.

Friends? You think I have friends?

Yes, I do think you have friends. If you don't, make alt accounts and than pretend like you do.
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Testing free speech theory...

Postby Nejii » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:27 pm

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Radical centrist tilting more and more to the right (socially)...

The Horst-Wessel-Lied is very catchy.

Growing more unapologetic by the day.

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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:28 pm

Nejii wrote:

free speech was a mistaaaaaake
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Postby The Realist Polities » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:29 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:Pretty much, free speech for everyone. Everybody should be able to believe in something. Except, freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence, so if somebody has a nasty or hateful belief, they shouldn't expect everyone to just go with it because "freedom of speech".


Thank you Mr. Hitler/Stalin.............

If you create legal consequences for 'free' speech then there really isn't free speech, now is there?...

In the 90s, I was on the side of the Left when they complained of right-wing religion nuts trying to censor everything according to christian standards.

Well am still on the side of free speech but now on the right against left-wing marxist nuts.

Either there is free speech or there isn't. If someone 'offends' you, offend them back.

But if you really want governmental speech control 'for the common good', move to North Korea
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Postby Nejii » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:29 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Nejii wrote:

free speech was a mistaaaaaake


I had to. :rofl: I try to avoid suggestive memes normally but that one killed me when I first saw it.

Also, you are right.
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The Horst-Wessel-Lied is very catchy.

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Postby Velosia » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:37 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:There are many questions surrounding how much free speech a society should have.

You can't have 'more' or 'less' free speech. It's either free or it isn't.

As for where I stand, I think all forms of speech need to tolerated in a democracy. The only potential exception I can think of would be perhaps speech that openly advocates for violence.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:40 pm

Velosia wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:There are many questions surrounding how much free speech a society should have.

You can't have 'more' or 'less' free speech. It's either free or it isn't.

As for where I stand, I think all forms of speech need to tolerated in a democracy. The only potential exception I can think of would be perhaps speech that openly advocates for violence.


And you're going to stop people from doing it behind closed doors how?
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:49 pm

The Realist Polities wrote:
Free Las Pinas wrote:Pretty much, free speech for everyone. Everybody should be able to believe in something. Except, freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence, so if somebody has a nasty or hateful belief, they shouldn't expect everyone to just go with it because "freedom of speech".


Thank you Mr. Hitler/Stalin.............

If you create legal consequences for 'free' speech then there really isn't free speech, now is there?...

In the 90s, I was on the side of the Left when they complained of right-wing religion nuts trying to censor everything according to christian standards.

Well am still on the side of free speech but now on the right against left-wing marxist nuts.

Either there is free speech or there isn't. If someone 'offends' you, offend them back.

But if you really want governmental speech control 'for the common good', move to North Korea

I don't believe I said anything about legal consequences, and if I did, I take it back. I said people with distasteful ideologies shouldn't expect to get zero insults fired back at them with the argument of "freedom of speech". I agree with your fifth line basically.

Edit: That said, I don't really appreciate you comparing me to Hitler/Stalin over this. I kindly ask that you don't call me that if you respond to me.
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i'm not actually pushing for the independence of Las Pinas,
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:03 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Say that to all the people who have self-harmed and committed suicide from speech.


What ever happened to sticks and stones?

“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words leave psychological wounds that never heal.”
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Postby Velosia » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:04 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:And you're going to stop people from doing it behind closed doors how?

I haven't the faintest idea. But, in my humble opinion, promoting violence in a civilised society is never justifiable.
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Head of State: Tohmas IX, King
Head of Government: Alfred Harding, Prime Minister
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Postby The Realist Polities » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:27 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:I don't believe I said anything about legal consequences, and if I did, I take it back.


You used a phrase which extreme-leftists use to justify their 'hate speech' laws: in essence, the 'it is ok to punch a nazi' standard.

If you were unaware that lunatics go around college campuses setting off fire alarms to prevent conservative speakers from speaking, then you haven't been following this issue very closely.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:28 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words leave psychological wounds that never heal.”


Agreed. A healthy body without a healthy mind is cake batter without eggs.
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Postby The Realist Polities » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:31 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben III wrote:
What ever happened to sticks and stones?

“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words leave psychological wounds that never heal.”


So lets not speak?................

You know that cars actually kill many people annually?

Time to erradicate driving too, I say. Convenient transportation is such a bourgeois fad anyway.

Best to focus on real #FirstWorldProblems.............................
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:36 pm

The Realist Polities wrote:


Time to eradicate driving too, I say.


I unironically agree. Public transportation and walkable cities are far better. Wouldn't you rather enjoy walking along a nice pedestrian shopping street than traffic during peak commuting hours? Instead of the world smelling like oil and asphalt, it can smell like roses and candy.
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Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things

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Postby The Realist Polities » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:40 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:I unironically agree. Public transportation and walkable cities are far better. Wouldn't you rather enjoy walking along a nice pedestrian shopping street than traffic during peak commuting hours? Instead of the world smelling like oil and asphalt, it can smell like roses and candy.


No, I know: in a totalitarian world, there is no difference between satire and factual news...

North Korea is definitely the place for you; look into it.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:42 pm

The Realist Polities wrote:
No, I know: in a totalitarian world, there is no difference between satire and factual news...



I wasn't being satirical at all.
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Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:43 pm

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Postby Jabberwocky » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:43 pm

Free speech? Should we not charge our citizens to speak?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:45 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:Free speech? Should we not charge our citizens to speak?


1 parfait/ sentence.
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Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things

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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:46 pm

The Realist Polities wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words leave psychological wounds that never heal.”


So lets not speak?................

You know that cars actually kill many people annually?

Time to erradicate driving too, I say. Convenient transportation is such a bourgeois fad anyway.

Best to focus on real #FirstWorldProblems.............................

Actually based. Public transport would be far easier to regulate in regards to environmental and quality standards, we could reduce urban sprawl, and thus reliance on that public transport, we'd deal with the problem of jobs being displaced from workers, at least to a degree, and best of all no more car ads on TV.

Has "enlightened" "centrism" finally looped back around into socialism?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:51 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Actually based. Public transport would be far easier to regulate in regards to environmental and quality standards, we could reduce urban sprawl, and thus reliance on that public transport, we'd deal with the problem of jobs being displaced from workers, at least to a degree, and best of all no more car ads on TV.

Has "enlightened" "centrism" finally looped back around into socialism?


In Japan I can travel from Tokyo to Shin-Aomori (750 km) in under 3 hours. If I want to travel from Boston to Washington DC in the US (similar distance), it will take 7 hours. And even longer by car or bus.
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Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things

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Postby Katganistan » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:52 pm

The Realist Polities wrote:
Free Las Pinas wrote:Pretty much, free speech for everyone. Everybody should be able to believe in something. Except, freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence, so if somebody has a nasty or hateful belief, they shouldn't expect everyone to just go with it because "freedom of speech".


Thank you Mr. Hitler/Stalin.............

If you create legal consequences for 'free' speech then there really isn't free speech, now is there?...

In the 90s, I was on the side of the Left when they complained of right-wing religion nuts trying to censor everything according to christian standards.

Well am still on the side of free speech but now on the right against left-wing marxist nuts.

Either there is free speech or there isn't. If someone 'offends' you, offend them back.

But if you really want governmental speech control 'for the common good', move to North Korea

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