Free Speech:「Yes or No」

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:14 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I think that's also because you leftists define "fascism" very broadly.

Well, yeah, more broadly than fascists, anyway. Fascism isn't just anti-Jewish, swastika-wielding German militarism. It's not only fascism when it's in an SS uniform. US fascism would be unrecognisable for people trying to find fascists wearing SS uniforms and shouting about the superiority of the American race. American fascism would be deeply Christian, deeply caring about the flag, about veterans, to the detriment of leftist groups trying to unite working power. American fascism would glorify America's violent past and seek to emulate it, and be very violent towards non-whites. It would be very concerned about the well-being of rich Christian families to the detriment of anyone else, and it would have to pay lip service to democracy while subverting all institutions important to it. More importantly, American fascism would be deeply capitalistic.

What else would American fascism look like if not this?

Then it’s not Fascism but general right wing authoritarianism or Christian dominionism.

by **New Ruchaar** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:15 am

Anything short of “I am going to murder [person] right now,” or any other direct insinuation of violence, should be allowed, period.

I consider every opponent of free speech to be my personal direct enemy as free speech is what allowed me to leave the Mormon church

by **Kowani** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:15 am

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:
Empirical Switzerland wrote:Yea, they are in no way peaceful. And you're right, Biden can barely speak, tell where he is, and hold back from sniffing people's hair, he is in no way fit to run a country. And I would argue Trump is better and preferable.

Trump is the lesser evil. And sure the protests are peaceful. Hey look I see a flying unicorn, even a dragon UFO!

That moment when proper analysis finds 97% of protests to be peaceful but you've been swept up the media narrative.

by **Atheris** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:15 am

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:
Empirical Switzerland wrote:Yea, they are in no way peaceful. And you're right, Biden can barely speak, tell where he is, and hold back from sniffing people's hair, he is in no way fit to run a country. And I would argue Trump is better and preferable.

Trump is the lesser evil. And sure the protests are peaceful. Hey look I see a flying unicorn, even a dragon UFO!

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:16 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Atheris wrote:I believe actually following the definition of fascism would be a step.

You know, state corporatism, totalitarianism, anti-socialism, racism, extreme nationalism, anti-democracy, anti-capitalism, anti-Westernism, anti-communism, masculinity, and the complete and utter destruction of opposition.

As exemplified by the things I mentioned, yes. The things I described are examples of American nationalism, racism, and corporatism. And Trump is hard at work supressing any dissent.

Fascism is not anti-capitalistic, though. What fascist regime in history has ever been anti-capitalistic? Italy, Germany and Chile collaborated with capitalists. Germany raided the whole continent for German companies. If you think fascism is anti-capitalistic, you have not been paying attention.

What even is an anti-Westernism?

Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

by **An-Tanwir** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

what no class analysis does to a mf

in all seriousness, economic policies are pretty set in stone for politicians who represent capitalists, but social issues are basically whatever gets the most votes.

Anyone else remember being called a vile, disordered, unnatural freak on the national news one day, and then the day after gay marriage was legalized, suddenly being loved, cared about, and accepted by everyone in government?

by **Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:You are so much mistaken, which is exactly what we were talking about. Trump is more moderate than literal genocide, but only because he needs to be to win voters. The Republican party, under his leadership, has changed into a party of extremists, enablers and collaborators, desperately trying to defend abuses of power and unlawful acts. They are only as moderate as the vote requires them to be, and they shift more to the right each time they succesfully disenfranchise another group.

Fascism is no longer an ideology of skinheads in basements, and it never really was. The US has been on the brink of fascism many times since the second world war. It’s not Trump’s moderation keeping the country from being fascist, it’s constant opposition by liberal and leftist groups, which are bit by bit being worn down by a party which controls federal law enforcement.

US fascism will look very differently from German or Italian fascism, and people won’t recognise it as fascism because it is not porpagated as fascism, but as Americanism.

Trump is many things but a fascist he is not. Trump only believes in what gets him votes. If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

He might call himself a communist, but he would not be a communist. Because he is a rich owner of companies who hasn’t worked a day in his life. Yes, he wants power. That’s what fascism is: only concerned with anti-leftism and power.

You are not making arguments against Trump being a fascist.

by **An-Tanwir** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:17 am

Thermodolia wrote:Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Putting your political enemies in camps and throwing them off helicopters isn't fascist. Okay buddy.

by **Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:18 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:As exemplified by the things I mentioned, yes. The things I described are examples of American nationalism, racism, and corporatism. And Trump is hard at work supressing any dissent.

Fascism is not anti-capitalistic, though. What fascist regime in history has ever been anti-capitalistic? Italy, Germany and Chile collaborated with capitalists. Germany raided the whole continent for German companies. If you think fascism is anti-capitalistic, you have not been paying attention.

What even is an anti-Westernism?

Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Pinochet wasn’t fascist?

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Well, yeah, more broadly than fascists, anyway. Fascism isn't just anti-Jewish, swastika-wielding German militarism. It's not only fascism when it's in an SS uniform. US fascism would be unrecognisable for people trying to find fascists wearing SS uniforms and shouting about the superiority of the American race. American fascism would be deeply Christian, deeply caring about the flag, about veterans, to the detriment of leftist groups trying to unite working power. American fascism would glorify America's violent past and seek to emulate it, and be very violent towards non-whites. It would be very concerned about the well-being of rich Christian families to the detriment of anyone else, and it would have to pay lip service to democracy while subverting all institutions important to it. More importantly, American fascism would be deeply capitalistic.

What else would American fascism look like if not this?

Then it’s not Fascism but general right wing authoritarianism or Christian dominionism.

Nazi Germany and Italy were capitalistic. Were the Nazis not fascist?

by **Kowani** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:18 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:As exemplified by the things I mentioned, yes. The things I described are examples of American nationalism, racism, and corporatism. And Trump is hard at work supressing any dissent.

Fascism is not anti-capitalistic, though. What fascist regime in history has ever been anti-capitalistic? Italy, Germany and Chile collaborated with capitalists. Germany raided the whole continent for German companies. If you think fascism is anti-capitalistic, you have not been paying attention.

What even is an anti-Westernism?

Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Pretty damn close to it.

by **Loben III** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Yes, Dutch law which should not under any circumstances should not be replicated here.

Thanks for being so candid with the truth, must’ve been difficult.

...

Did you read what I wrote or what you wanted to read? I bolded and underlined the important part.

Honestly I just glanced at it because you probably wrote that as if you didn’t like what I had to say.

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am

Empirical Switzerland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Trump is many things but a fascist he is not. Trump only believes in what gets him votes. If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

I disagree.

He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

by **Belands** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am

Yes. Next question

by **Blueflarst** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am

Left wing people is making arguments about fascism in the united states when they have not known a fascist regime or similar on their country, someone with a bit of knowledge can know that the republicans are not fascists just right wing free market people with a nationalist focus.
The democratic party is not socialist neither they are just a mix of neoliberal free market defenders and progressive left

by **Atheris** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:20 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Pinochet wasn’t fascist?

No.

Thermodolia wrote:Then it’s not Fascism but general right wing authoritarianism or Christian dominionism.

Nazi Germany and Italy were capitalistic. Were the Nazis not fascist?

"You serious?"

by **Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:21 am

Loben III wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:...

Did you read what I wrote or what you wanted to read? I bolded and underlined the important part.

Honestly I just glanced at it because you probably wrote that as if you didn’t like what I had to say.

I’ll get back to you as soon as you form a coherent sentence, okay buddy?

Thermodolia wrote:
Empirical Switzerland wrote:I disagree.

He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

Which is a very common fascist trope.

by **Empirical Switzerland** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:21 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Empirical Switzerland wrote:I disagree.

He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

I don't think he is a fascist is what I am saying, it may seem I meant that, I did not. I think he does what he thinks is right, not the public. And he maaayyy be a bit of a narcissisit though!

by **Nuroblav** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:22 am

Thermodolia wrote:He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

I tend to describe him as something of a populist. Definitely has that sort of air around him.

Blueflarst wrote:Left wing people is making arguments about fascism in the united states when they have not known a fascist regime or similar on their country, someone with a bit of knowledge can know that the republicans are not fascists just right wing free market people with a nationalist focus.
The democratic party is not socialist neither they are just a mix of neoliberal free market defenders and progressive left

Yeah the democrats would probably be the equivalent of Lib Dems over here.

by **Kowani** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:23 am

Empirical Switzerland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

I don't think he is a fascist is what I am saying, it may seem I meant that, I did not. I think he does what he thinks is right, not the public. And he maaayyy be a bit of a narcissisit though!

What Trump thinks is right happens to coincide with what benefits Trump, everyone else be damned.

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:23 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Pinochet wasn’t fascist?

No he wasn’t.

Stop with this silly boogieman. The republicans aren’t fascist but just right wing authoritarian, hell out actual fascist groups hate the republicans for not being fascist.

Thermodolia wrote:Then it’s not Fascism but general right wing authoritarianism or Christian dominionism.

Nazi Germany and Italy were capitalistic. Were the Nazis not fascist?

No they where not. They where in a very strange third position. Fascism isn’t based on capitalism but a corporatism managed by the state. Jesus read some damn fascist theory

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:23 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Chile wasn’t fascist. Jesus mate come off of it

Pretty damn close to it.

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes

by **Atheris** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Pretty damn close to it.

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes

OH MY GOD, THAT'S WHAT THAT IDIOM MEANS

I'M SO FUCKING STUPID

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:25 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Trump is many things but a fascist he is not. Trump only believes in what gets him votes. If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

He might call himself a communist, but he would not be a communist. Because he is a rich owner of companies who hasn’t worked a day in his life. Yes, he wants power. That’s what fascism is: only concerned with anti-leftism and power.

That’s not fascism. That could be literally anything. Reagan under that metric is a fascist, instead of ya know neocon prime.

You are not making arguments against Trump being a fascist.

Because it’s pretty fucking plain that Trump is no fascist

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:27 am

Nuroblav wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

I tend to describe him as something of a populist. Definitely has that sort of air around him.

He’s definitely an authoritarian populist. That’s for sure

by **Thermodolia** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:28 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Honestly I just glanced at it because you probably wrote that as if you didn’t like what I had to say.

I’ll get back to you as soon as you form a coherent sentence, okay buddy?

Thermodolia wrote:He’s a narcissist not a fascist, he’ll say anything that he thinks will make him popular

Which is a very common fascist trope.

No? Literally anyone could fall under that. Jesus just go back to international law cause you clearly don’t know shit about extremist ideologies

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